RAZBAM updates MiG-19, F-15E, M-2000C, AV-8B and community controversy

It’s been a busy several weeks for DCS World third party developers and RAZBAM’s updates have flown under the radar while some others have been in the limelight. Work continues on RAZBAM’s DCS: MiG-19 and it may be released before the end of the year. There is also ongoing work on their more newly announced F-15E Strike Eagle module, the already released AV-8B and the M-2000C. Of course no update on this specific week would be complete without some of the controversy that went down on r/hoggit and I’ll add a little about that at the end of this post.

MiG-19P closes in on release

External view from high altitude over the Caucasus map.

RAZBAM is working on their Soviet era MiG-19P (NATO reporting name “Farmer”) module for DCS World and they appear to be nearing the final stretch of development before early release.

This jet fits into an interesting gap between the MiG-15bis and the MiG-21bis modules that have already been released to DCS World by other developers. The MiG-19 is an interesting middle point offering an air-intercept radar, guided missiles but less of the rocketship looks and performance of the MiG-21.

The latest work on the MiG-19P cockpit. Looking more complete than before for sure.

The radar scope and the cockpit in particular seem to have made great strides in recent weeks and we now have images showing the scope and some of the symbology on their Facebook page.

Various looks to the radar scope.

Work is still ongoing with the flight model and flight testing with the model are underway:

One of the many tests that the MiG-19P is undergoing.
In this case it was a sustained climb in full afterburners to the rated ceiling of 17,000 meters (55,774 feet).. The primary objective was to check the cockpit pressurization logic. The test was a success, the cockpit pressurization worked as it should.

Unfortunately the aircraft’s engines require more fine tuning since the aircraft’s climb flattened at 15,900 meters (52,165 feet), 1100 meters short of the goal.

According to the developers, the MiG-19 is due to arrive before the end of the year.

F-15E progress

Initial efforts on the F-15E Strike Eagle seem to be coming along too. The module will feature a DCS World level rendition of the F-15E and these early shots show the cockpit coming together as well as the external model in-engine.

Mirage updates to come

RAZBAM was invited by the Armée de l’Air to visit them and get some hands on with the M-2000C simulator as well as access to information. It’s an exciting development for an aircraft that has made a very positive impression on DCS World.

Video clips that RAZBAM employees filmed while working with the French Air Force.

There are apparently changes to the TGP panel that are not accurately captured by the DCS representation right now that RAZBAM will implement thanks to this partnership. There may also be some other tweaks to the aircraft too.

RAZBAM suggests that the research they have done and the collaboration they were able to achieve will help push the M-2000C up to the next level of accuracy and that is pretty exciting.

AV-8B updates too

Its a small update but back in July we got the ability to add waypoints and now the secondary HUD replication is now something that we’re about to see added to the module.

RAZBAM has also made a statement saying that they are aware of the velocity vector issue and they are working on a fix for it.

The AV-8B does have some remaining issues and intermittent bugs (some which I may have experienced myself – though I’m not sure) which owners are hoping to see squashed over time.

The controversy that took over r/hoggit this week

If you’ve been on r/hoggit this week or any of the places where the controversy spilled over to, you probably already know what happened. I debated even reporting about it but in the end I decided I should include it in this post as the debate is of importance to many of you out there.

It all started with a reasonable post to r/hoggit expressing concern on the unfinished and occasionally buggy states of the AV-8B and Mirage 2000C both released to DCS World by RAZBAM. You can read the full remarks below.

The initial post contains reasonable and well thought out concerns as do many of the replies. Indeed, it is an issue for RAZBAM and for many of the third party developers where aircraft are released in unfinished ‘early access’ states, some which persist for many years.

Eagle Dynamics themselves have done that with the F/A-18C Hornet which will probably be in early access for a year or more (likely more). The problem of course is that the AV-8B is still early access and forward progress, though happening, has slowed to a trickle and some issues and features that the aircraft does not yet have are grating on users flying it.

The early access system itself I (and I think many others) have no issue with as it lets us get our hands on aircraft early and contribute both to the testing as well as enjoyment as the features are rolled out. The problem is that it can sometimes look bad when the public statements by the developers, at least from the outside, appear to be focused on newer modules and development appears to slow for something already released though still considered unfinished.

Earlier in the week, this issue provided the fertile ground for heated discussions which then blew up. One user suggested that the IA58 (which I’ve talked about previously) cockpit was copied from another developer. RAZBAM developer, “Prowler,” responded by saying that they had outsourced the work (certainly not unheard of) but then also talked about taking legal action. You can see it all in the embedded links below.

This of course erupted into a bit of a community wide mess with various contributors multiple aspects of the debate weighing in.

Some thoughts on the situation


Certainly, the suggestion that legal action could be taken by one of their company members against a Reddit user is not the kind of look that a company should want to present. That suggestion (be it serious or not) immediately caused an uproar and has evolved into a bit of a PR crisis for the company with some users, already frustrated by issues that they see, claiming they will not be buying future modules.

To date, there have been no official responses to the situation (that I am aware of) although RAZBAM has continued to update their Facebook page with information on new and current modules roughly at the same pace as normal.

The biggest problem here is more of a public relations issue where new modules and new work is being shown off whereas minor fixes and feature updates get less attention but are ultimately more meaningful to already established users.

Of course the developers themselves need to balance their efforts between creating new modules (and new sources of funding) and maintaining and ensuring that already released early access modules reach completion and stay fully functional through continued platform updates.


RAZBAM is also not the only developer to have a module in a prolonged period of early access nor one where persistent bugs have caused owners of the modules to grow frustrated. Even Heatblur, the current darling of the DCS third party developers, has seen their AJS-37 Viggen go through some occasionally significant bugs and had missing features for prolonged periods of time.

The issues being experienced by users are legitimate and can be problematic for enjoyment of the modules being discussed. Still, all but a few of these bugs prevented the modules from being used and, in those rare cases, RAZBAM has been quick to correct.

What is a developer to do?


Developers need to learn from Eagle Dynamic recently much improved communication by providing consistent updates on current modules in players hands making sure that concerns are heard, that the community is interacted with positively, and that those concerns are then legitimately dealt with.

The community needs to see that the module they already paid for is going to be completed and that it will be feature complete at the end of the process. A great many are happy and eager to try new early access modules if we can have fun with them but it’d be difficult to find a single person who didn’t ultimately want to see the module they paid for ultimately be finished in a timely manner.

The deteriorating developer relations that culminated in the comments made earlier in the week have certainly not helped the growing frustrating with many users. The actual comment that set off the firestorm may not have been very legitimate but the bad taste left in users mouths certainly is more troublesome. RAZBAM does need to do some crisis communications and both address the situation and ensure that they take control of their own narrative.

Ending on a positive note


RAZBAM makes some compelling DCS World modules featuring some extremely interesting aircraft. I’ve spent hours in the M-2000C and in the AV-8B and have enjoyed them both. I have experienced bugs, I have been frustrated, but I’ve had a lot of fun too and its important to put things in perspective.

New features are being developed, old problems are being solved, and work appears to be ongoing on multiple projects which suggests what is hopefully a bright future. RAZBAM has worked hard to try and communicate better and have started a monthly series to discuss their work which are great starts. I hope they can find solutions to the current PR issues that they are experiencing and that much more positive news is coming in the future. As an optimistic realist, I continue to hope for these things.

12 Comments Add yours

  1. boxcarleader says:

    While i understand that the “community” er “trolls” on the internet believe that calling out a company like that and directly accusing them of copyright infringement is actually an extremely serious accusation in the business world. the original poster did in-fact in the way the statement was written and cited just Accuse a legal company of copyright infringement and it is my understanding that if the razbam employee did not react as he did it could easily become and expensive issue for the company just because one community troll opened his trap. People need to remember that the internet is not a buffer or defensive wall against illegal actions… especially when you have a company involved. That company under most legal systems could in fact level a honest case against the poster at which time the site he was posting from could be legally required to give up his personal information at which point as the Razbam poster said he would be at that persons front door. And honestly i hope they do it … i see no reason to claim in writing that someone stole work unless you honestly believe they did it and also its not your business because the wrights dont belong to you so all your doing is stirring trouble. The fact that this poster put it on the internet makes the accusation public record and Razbam or any of the members could sue is pants strait off of him. This is just another blatant act of ignorance on the internet .. the poster basically called Razbam liars and thieves in a public venue in writing and lets be honest its important for any company to not ever have that reputation. So i guess in short im fully behind Razbam’s post and think it was the correct response … if the original poster has posted his statement with different wording then this whole issue would be moot. The community needs to stop standing up for morons and understand there is more than their feelings at stake when a comment / Accusation of that type is posted… it was not funny in any way of the poster and i do in fact hope that razbam takes legal action as now their company could loose a lot of money and depending on their finances go under if someone follows up on this claim to be and ass or garner attention … and if they do sue him more capitol to razbam to get the work done faster.

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    1. ShamrockOneFive says:

      There’s no question in my mind that the post that lead to this was in bad taste. RAZBAM may even have a case to pursue legal action (mandatory I am not a lawyer).

      It would have been better not to react as their one employee did. It does more harm than good.

      Certainly if they feel like a legal case was a necessity then they could pursue it.

      I don’t think that they were in any serious trouble as a result of the copyright infringement accusation. That strikes me as more of a troll type comment from that poster and seeing as RAZBAM has licensed the content there are no ramifications that I’m aware of for the company.

      TL;DR, this could have been handled better.


  2. 79vRAF says:

    I wish people would stop with posts like that. What is probably needed is a code of conduct for developers that commits them to regular updates on posts. This should be enforced by ED. However, ED was terrible at it and it was only after a sustained set of posting on the forums that it started to change.

    Things have got better on the community engagement front, but the community does act like a spoilt child pretty regularly. Buy early access and expect bugs and issues, also don’t expect it to be finished in an actual two weeks.

    Razbam used to be one of the better developers for community updates, so it may well be a slip up on their part; and replicating the Team Fusion approach of threatening customers isn’t a great way to go. Maybe a more gentle reminder without the threats would have been appropriate.

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    1. ShamrockOneFive says:

      Completely agree. Unfortunately on the internet we have some trolls and malcontents that do and say some of these things and it’s important for the developers to maintain cool heads. It isn’t easy but it is necessary.


  3. arkhamuk says:

    This was an extremely well writen article. Very good work.

    Liked by 2 people

    1. ShamrockOneFive says:



  4. boxcarleader says:

    while i agree with the code of conduct for devs there is also a code of conduct as a person and under the legal system please keep that in mind the poster is in fact responsible for his statement and they always are… there is no amnesty because it is said online and never forget that

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    1. ShamrockOneFive says:

      Can’t argue with you there boxcarleader. The poster could be held responsible for a potentially damaging statement.


    2. Aaron White says:

      While I agree, I still think at the end of the day, the business and it’s employees should be more careful regarding their PR than any potential accusations from someone about stealing something…especially when in this case it was an obvious case of “It is the same, because we bought it”.

      If they know they’re in the clear, then a simple response of “Good eye. It is the same, because we actually purchased their model” clears things up with none of the fallout that the developer’s chosen response brought.

      I just feel that at the end of the day, I expect the professional business to act professionally. You can’t help that people might say or think the wrong thing regarding your product. But you can help how you and your employees respond to the public, especially when you’re a company like a niche market sim developer that lives and dies by word of mouth.

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      1. ShamrockOneFive says:

        Absolutely Aaron. Regardless of what was said, the developer has much more at stake in terms of their reputation and what transpired is the opposite of what I would suggest as someone who works in a PR related field.


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