During last week’s Virtual International Air Show, Eagle Dynamics CEO Nick Grey met up with the hosts and answered some questions about DCS World and about Eagle Dynamics. Its a fascinating look into the history and the business behind the sim. I’ve got some point form notes from the interview that you may want to read through and of course I encourage you to watch the interview in full.

The interview

The hosts of VIAF from Virtual Air Festivals sat down with Nick Grey, Eagle Dynamics CEO. Nick is of course the deep voice narrating some of the DCS World videos and he is one of the visions behind a series of flight sims that has resulted in DCS World.

The TL;DR can be summarized into three key points:

  1. A DCS: Afghanistan map was confirmed by him in the interview and says that its part of three maps that will fill out the region. The next map is located “nearby” and suggests that it will be revealed in the 2024 and Beyond video.
  2. Nick also reconfirms that Eagle Dynamics are working on an F6F Hellcat. This was teased in the 2023 and Beyond video.
  3. Multi-threading servers and Vulcan API are coming in 2024 and will offer some performance improvements but also suggested that they won’t be big improvements.

For the rest, read my notes below:

  • DCS started by pure chance. Met three engineers who had a sim with a basic Sukhoi Su-27. One of those engineers was Igor Tishin who ended up being a co-leader. The Fighter Collection in the UK financed everything with some staff in the UK. When Igor died, Nick became CEO and much more involved on a daily basis.
  • Want to develop a more immersive world and to bring aviation simulation to an even higher level of realism and precision. Only 190 people on the team. Nick says the marketplace is small but it is growing.
  • Nick’s favourites are the Spitfire, Mustang, and Mosquito. For fun, the F/A-18 or F-16 is superb as well says Nick. He says he’s having trouble answering that question and intones that he really does love all of them.
  • Started working on a spherical earth with a small team. Four person team working on all of the technology. The biggest issue is creating something, inexpensively, that feels realistic and looks good. The current maps are very manual and hands on. Developing something with automation. Praises MSFS’ geography. World map not just for the consumer market but also for professional market.
  • The next products will be revealed in the 2024 and beyond video. Afghanistan confirmed (coordinates from previous video). Also doing another map… “nearby.” It will be in three parts and develop the region.
  • Looking for new people in aerodynamics. Developing a flight model is quite complex. Had six and Nick says they need more.
  • Upcoming module excitement. Really excited about the F-4 Phantom. Keen about the Hellcat. Calls the C-47 really cool and “funky.”
  • Multi-threading for servers coming next year. Vulcan coming next year. Both will add performance but it won’t be a huge step.
  • Typhoon (Heatblur), slowed down for a number of reasons. Nothing Nick can say today but it is a project that will definitely happen.
  • Nick says that DCS is not considering a subscription model. Says its great for content like Netflix and content based business. Owning a module is, mentally, more of a commitment and their commitment to the customer to continue to update it. Nick says that Eagle Dynamics is more of a tech company and not an entertainment company. Might try financing in the future so people can do monthly payment terms.
  • Wants to improve the loyalty program to make for better terms and make things more exciting for long term fans.
  • Dynamic campaign has been on their mind for a long time. The problem faced was technically very large and connected to machine learning. Being able to use AI as a means to an end. Says that AI has come a long way and has helped them accelerate it. Four people are working seriously on the feature and they have very big ambitions for the dynamic campaign. Its not a feature they are going to walk away from but its a very complex thing that they are doing.

19 responses to “Summarizing VIAF’s interview with Eagle Dynamics CEO Nick Grey”

  1. My guess is the other “nearby” map to be coming in three parts and to develop the region is going to be Iran/Iraq (I hope I’m wrong though…).

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    1. Yeah, an Iraq map is not very exciting at all. But Afghanistan could be fun.

      Less sand, more trees.

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      1. Could be a good playground for helicopters and CAS aircraft. Afghanistan was already part of their professional package so I’m not shocked that a consumer friendly version (probably better looking) would make its way to us eventually.

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      2. Umm…I can’t imagine MORE interesting maps – at least in terms of IRL modern battlefields.

        Hard to believe Desert Shield/Storm was so long ago already…

        And truly, Saddam Hussein’s Iraqi armed forces were a fearsome foe with a tremendous amount of modern (at the time) firepower and manpower. There was a HUGE amount of pressure NOT to engage such a well armed peer adversary.

        In contrast, everyone knew Afghanistan was going to be a Low Intensity Conflict where the outcome was never in doubt. In the milieu of DCS World, AFG has very little to offer vs Iraq other than the challenges of high mountainous helo operations.

        And as others have noted, we have the long term Iran/Iraq conflicts to re-enact as well, along with a reasonably accurate plane set (hopefully HeatBlur will actually release the IRIAF Tomcat by then 🙂 ).

        While I’m happy to play over ANY well executed terrain with just a bit of historical air combat relevance, being able to use IRL historical missions over as templates over the IRL map makes for a much richer experience.

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      3. Agreed, Afghanistan might be fun. But Iraq – nah! I fully understand that people want to recreate the battles that actually took place there, but geographically speaking, a map of Iraq should just be boring.

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    2. You may be right. More interesting would be if they went south to Pakistan and India where some interesting Cold War era dogfights happened.

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      1. That could be fun. Maybe ORBX can do it after Kola. 🙂

        Kind of a bummer but it looks like no release of anything before Q1 2024, at least. That means nothing since June. With about so many modules in the works, having six-month gaps is bit large perhaps.

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    3. Thing is…. Iraq would be perfect for the current plane set we have and time period. (Mirage F1, Mig 21, Mig 29, MI 24, F16, A10, F18C, Tomcat, etc).

      Iran/Iraq war – for one and of course Desert Storm.

      Where DCS lacks is single player content and scenarios. So I think Iraq and Afghanistan would be welcome and logical

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      1. That’s a very good point. We’ve got the aircraft for sure.

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      2. Not to mention Huey, Harrier, Apache, Chinook, BlackHawk, and Strike Eagle.
        Heck, it’s fair to say that almost all of the modern DCS war planes have fought in the region.
        And even others that haven’t like Thunder & C101 are at least “regionally relevant” and a good fit.

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  2. Thank you for this article. Here’s a small typo: “One of those engineers with Igor Tishin” -> “One of those engineers was Igor Tishin”

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    1. Good catch! Fixed!

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      1. We the fanbase are going to “grammar cop” you right into the next century. No prisoners!

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      2. It comes with the territory! I appreciate friendly notes.

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  3. Lots of Good News in the interview, and once again proves that DCS World is continually being improved & advanced in substantive ways, though the pace isn’t as instantaneously-gratifying as we’d wish…

    Other than weather and world map, the other available flight sims are relatively sterile & boring, esp comparing aircraft fidelity levels.

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  4. I’m really only interested in the progress of the Dynamic Campaign. I have enough modules already that I don’t have time to play 😉

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  5. “basic Sukhoi Su-27”
    I hope that one day we will be able to get a full fidelty SU27 in DCS.

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    1. Would be a nice return to where they started. I suspect it’ll be a while unfortunately.

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  6. All most interesting and a lot of it is quite exciting. My comments, as brief as I can make them –

    I’m not particularly excited about a whole world map. It’s likely to be mostly filler anyway, and military flight does tend to be limited to an AO. Ferry flights being the exception, but I can’t imagine anyone is staying awake at night waiting for the opportunity to fly across the Atlantic with nothing to break the boredom except a brace of air to air tanking tasks.

    Heatblur’s work on the Phantom looks amazing. The individual circuit modelling is a tour de force of OCD simulation. I do hope it can be switched off as once I’ve marvelled at an individual light blub circuit blowing, and also the individual physics so stuff in the cockpit moves and shake on their own, I’ll probably not really notice it much. It’s more processing cycles I’d rather went to the campaign and visuals. Yes, the hook shaking in the Apache is fun but when everything is moving on it’s own, it must be a reasonable chunk of the processing budget.

    I’m also both excited and dreading the new maps. Yes, I know I don’t HAVE to get them, but actually I do. I love completeness and the locations sound great. But I’m still getting my head around the Syria map, let alone the Atlantic and the Sinai!

    I’ve drifted away from the warbirds a bit recently, my current love being the F-1EE, but I’m especially looking forward to the Hellcat and the Corsair. Redfor stuff would be nice, even if its’ flaming cliffs standards. A Zero, Ki-61 or Me-410 for example.

    One last thing – now that ED has moved out of Moscow, and now that the Muscovites have chosen to leave the civilised world, it would be great to get a Flanker or Mig-29 full fidelity. I’m sure there are enough lying around in Eastern Europe or ex-soviet client states that the data would be available. The sticking point was the knee-jerk secrecy of the Kremlin. Maybe they don’t want us knowing how bad their stuff is? Anyway, who cares what they think anymore.

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