Every year for the last several years, Eagle Dynamics has surprised and entertained with their DCS World and Beyond video series. This year was no different with the release of a nearly 7-minute long cinematic showcase of the series complete with its confirmation of two new and previously unknown or very slightly hinted at modules. The F-35 was a complete surprise to me. Let’s break down the trailer and talk about what we’ve learned in both the video portion of the presentation as well as with some of the FAQs that have been released in the last few hours. This is going to be a long one so let’s go!

Video breakdown

Let’s start with a breakdown of DCS World 2025 and Beyond. Encourage you to watch the video for yourself to take in the cinematic experience and then come back and lets break down some of the things that we saw in the presentation.

I’m going to go mostly in order here so we’ll revisit some content time and again.

We start the trailer off with a stylized overview map featuring DCS World icons with a frontline marker, and flights of Su-33, Su-25T, and F/A-18Cs represented. The map is DCS: Caucasus. It seems likely that this is a nod towards DCS World’s long in development dynamic campaign but it may also be the more recently referenced new quick mission generator. Either way, featuring this up front seems to be a statement by ED that these gameplay features are important and we’ve been heard that this is an important feature – more than any module. I may be reading into that little much but I’m going with hope!

In addition to the map, we’ve also got a series of moody shots featuring a lot of ground warfare, some aerial shots of what looks like some new explosions and fire effects, and just generally lots of low light chaos. This again may be a nod to some upgrades to ground vehicles and enhancements for DCS: Combined Arms.

That initial section changes from gritty war movie into a much brighter one though no less action packed. Here we see the F6F Hellcat in a brief glimpse, we’ve got a lovely shot of Aerges Mirage F1, lots of M1 Abrams tanks looking extremely details, Heatblur’s F-14 Tomcat, a blurry but no less interesting shot of the A6M Zero (we’ve seen glimpses of it before), the C-130J by Airplane Simulation Company, another great view of the F-14, and plenty of blink and you’ll miss it Typhoon images.

We’ve got one of a few glimpses of the MiG-29 here and while its unclear if this is the new full fidelity one or not, it’s clearly aimed at the excitement for that project. We’ve also got one of a few shots of what looks to be some much higher detail soldiers and a gunsight view definitely from Combined Arms.

The F-100 Super Sabre makes one of a few appearances here. We’ve got a couple of F-4 Phantom shots here and by now its clear that the new “green map” is not the Caucasus but something new. This is probably the new Germany or Fulda Gap map (no idea what the official naming is yet). We’ve got a silhouette of Heatblur’s Draken AI model, and an F-15C (more on that later).

Lots of the TrueGrit/Heatblur Typhoon in this next segment. Some great camera work and dramatic reveals of the jet in motion. Typhoon was already looking visually impressive when it was announced but it does look like its an in even better place now.

The tension remains high as we’ve got another MiG-29 shot, and then a detailed image of what is probably an S-300 missile battery but it may also be an S-400. Not sure if any keen spotters have picked out the specific version there. We’ve got another dramatic night shot with fire… again I think this is suggesting some visual updates to how fire is rendered.

Ok, now things shift a bit from the high tempo that we’ve been at and we get a little slower and more cinematic for a moment here. Some years, Nick Grey has some sort of spoken message, but this year the visuals are doing the talking. We’ve got a low sun angle shot, a night shot and some frozen mountains and a glacier. Then we get some slower shots focused on what is undoubtedly the new DCS: MiG-29 full fidelity module. The cockpit and exterior details are extremely high as presented.

After that, we switch gears a little bit to the C-130J again with visuals of the cargo ramp, the cargo load, and even a GBU-43/B MOAB. There’s also a cockpit shot of what I suspect is the C-130.

These next one I didn’t spot right away but have later to have been confirmed by Heatblur as the F-14B(U). Just over 80 F-14B’s were upgraded into the revised configuration with upgraded avionics and HUD. Heatblur had mentioned earlier in the year that they were seriously pursuing this but needed to investigate more before they could make sure it was possible. It looks like it is!

A smattering of images follow. A Typhoon from the ramp of a C-130, ground units with desert dust, another MiG-29 shot, a Leopard tank driving on the new Germany map, another great appearance by the F-100, Typhoon’s doing a break away shot, MiG-29s with some very cool camo, and then we get some images of what is definitely Berlin. The Victory Column, Berlin Tempelhof Airport, the Berlin Cathedral and other landmarks. Tempelhof Airport still technically exists though it is closed as an airport. The image with its Lufthansa 727s and Pan American 747 suggest this map will take on a slightly historic tone perhaps being set in the 1980s.

We briefly cut away to some other locations and aircraft. DCS: Afghanistan, the F-16C, CH-47 and AH-64D appear. We’ve got more images of the Germany map too.

Our next sequence gives us a brief glimpse of Magnitude 3’s long in development F4U Corsair. Will we finally see it this year? Maybe! Hard to say. The MiG-29 and F-100 appear again, then the Typhoon, then an R-27 likely from the MiG-29, and we’ve got a Viggen shot – gotta love the Viggen!

The tempo is up again as we get some more rapid fire shots. The C-130 dropping cargo out the bay, an urban area with fire rising in the distance, an F-4 makes a quick flypast, an AAA gun engages what looks to be another A6M Zero, a P-51D lights on fire, the C-130J flashes past us, and the F-15C fires an AIM-7. Phew!

Then we move into the last stage of the DCS World 2025 and Beyond trailer with a couple of products to be revealed. We never know exactly what they will show us but its usually always worth talking about and this year we’re going to be having a lot of discussions.

First, DCS: F-15C Eagle is confirmed as a full fidelity module. This was hinted at in an Instagram post late yesterday but today certainly confirmed it. I’ve got more info on that but just let this one sink in for a moment because we’ve got one more…

… and after a number of teasing shots that had me guessing… Eagle Dynamics confirmed DCS: F-35 is going to be a thing! Colour me surprised!

F-15C and F-35! What?

Both the confirmation of the F-15C and F-35 were a bit of a shock to me. The F-15C as a full fidelity module was something I and others had asked about some years ago and the answer, then at least, is that single purpose fighters like the F-15C are potentially less interesting and less of a selling proposition than multi-role types. But, times change, market conditions change, and I think enough people in the community have been hoping for the F-15C to become a full fidelity option with some even wondering in the early days of the F-15E’s release if that model would be satisfying enough in the air superiority role alone. So, there’s interest out there and it looks like Eagle Dynamics is meeting that interest.

A FAQ has been posted about the DCS: F-15C which confirms a number of burning questions. The F-15C in question will be the F-15C Multi-Stage Improvement Program (MISP) with AN/APG-63 radar, PACS, JTDIS datalink, JHMCS helmet and the AIM-9X. A much more modern and sophisticated version of the F-15C relative to the Flaming Cliffs model. The model is reportedly an entirely new one with 2025 graphical standards. It will model a USAF standard version from the mid-2000s so there will be no air to ground weapons (“Not a pound for air to ground” am I right?).

If we had burning questions about the F-15C, a million more have been asked and a few have been answered by a similarly available FAQ for the F-35. It is confirmed as a DCS World level product (clickable cockpit, complex systems, etc.) and Eagle Dynamics intends to focus efforts on the DCS: F-35A with F-35B and C to be unconfirmed but considered for future development. As for how they are going to pull this off, the FAQ does offer up an answer.

Starting around 2010, F-35 demonstrations became commonplace at defense tradeshows. These demonstrations were often filmed and provide great insight into the Pilot Vehicle Interface (PVI) of the F-35 2010 to 2015. These, combined with a wealth of public academic papers, sub-contractor systems demonstrations, public feedback from F-35 pilots, and established PVI of other aircraft will allow us to create a largely complete and accurate F-35A simulation.

I have seen false comments that the F-35 is so classified that we don’t even know what the cockpit looks like when there are actually quite a few public references now out there. A decade ago and it was still a bit hush hush but these days they are operational with multiple operators and some parts of the jet’s operation is public knowledge. Still, there will be an awful lot that is not and that is going to require Eagle Dynamics to infer a bit more than I think many DCS World fans are used to. IndiaFoxtEcho, as one of there MSFS offerings, has managed to do quite a decent F-35 in that simulator and while they don’t have to confront many of the complexities of a functioning DCS module it does show a pathway forward. Still, I’m sure this will be an adjustment.

The weapons list is also tentatively set as the following:

The complete weapons suite of a US F-35A in the 2015-time frame is planned. This includes the internal 25mm cannon, AIM-9X, AIM-120, GBU-38, GBU-39, GBU-31, GBU-12, GBU-16, GBU-10, GBU-24, AGM-158, AGM-154, CBU-103/105, CBU-99/100, and Mk-80s series. This list is subject to change during development.

There’s more so I encourage you to read the DCS: F-35A FAQ yourself as they talk about multiplayer, stealth, flight model and more. I’m sure the introduction of this fifth gen fighter into the mix with its capabilities and its coveted nature will remain interesting.

Both F-15C and F-35A are heading into development so this is a very early announcement of both types. Eagle Dynamics suggests they will not be coming this year and may release as early as 2026 though I think 2027 is a realistic guess too.

Final thoughts

Well that was quite a display wasn’t it? While the F-35 and F-15C will probably occupy a fair bit of discussion for now and years to come (and I will probably revisit with an editorial after the dust has settled), I was generally pleased at the overall mix that we saw.

While a fifth gen type with its fancy stealth features and distributed aperture system may not be for some, it will undoubtedly be a huge draw for others. For those not as impressed with it, it was gratifying to also see types like the F-100 show up in the mix and get the brief shots of the F4U, A6M and F6F. Even the AI only Draken is a welcome addition to the Cold War mix (Heatblur, flyable please? :)). And again, while some will not be as enthralled by a logistics focused type, I think the addition of the C-130 creates new and potentially quite fun gameplay opportunities for those who want something a little slower.

I was surprised by the number of ground shots that we saw. DCS World’s visual details at ground level has become quite impressive and the ground vehicle detail seems oriented towards more ground and helicopter ops than ever before. The sim has some major AI related shortcomings it needs to solve here too but its becoming more believable looking every year.

I am hopeful that the moving map icons up at the front of the trailer is what I saw it to be as a kind of statement that DCS World’s gameplay is finally going to see some moves forward in this year. Fingers crossed.

So there we go! We’ve got quite a display here, one that will have far reaching implications for the series for some time to come.

I expect there will be a flurry of comments! Fire away but, as always, keep it respectful. What were you most surprised about,


70 responses to “DCS World 2025 beyond showcases Typhoon, Germany map, confirms DCS: F-15C, and surprises with DCS: F-35!”

  1. The F-15C is my 2nd favorite aircraft behind the F-14, I’ve been yearning for a full fidelity F-15C ever since I flew the FC3 version 10yrs ago.

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    1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      Nice! I’m really glad that it’s coming for you. I suspect it will be a popular choice among many!

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    2. I wonder if those of us who chose to not seek a refund on the F-15E will get some kind of discount on the C? I really, really don’t want to pile in to this nonsense but I’ve stopped flying the Eagle, the Mirage, the Harrier and the Mig 19 (although I’d never got around to learning that one properly). And the Mirage 2k was long my favourite module. I have so much to learn and fly, it seems like I’d be throwing effort after something that, sooner or later, will not work. It would be nice if ED threw those of us who remained loyal in the hope of a resolution (hope that’s now faded) a bone or two.

      But what I’m really excited about are the warbirds! Those old crates are my first simulated flying love, and getting more of them will be great.

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      1. I hope so, as I am quite saddened the F-15E does not yet have the GBU-39 due to this Razbam nonsense.

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  2. I would really like to see some more Russian Fourth Generation fighters such as the Su-27, Su-30, and Su-35 though I am well aware of the fact that the Russians are very tight lipped about their modern military aircraft and I don’t see it happening until the 2030s or 2040s (and that is if DCS is still being worked on by then). I would also like to see some Chinese aircraft like the J-10, J-11, J-15 and J-16 and Su-30MKK (the last I know is still Russian of origin). Though, I don’t think the Chinese military will give any information on how to build a fully working virtual replica of their most modern aircraft either. But still a man can dream. I would really like to see some Indian aircraft as well, like the Tejas Mk.1 and Tejas Mk.2 (though I know the latter has not even been built yet), and the Su-30MKI. Though that’s not likely until like the 2040 or even the 2050s!

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  3. I want to know more about that Hellcat they snuck in at 1:10-1:14 in the video. Otherwise really looking forward to the FF Mig-29 and F-15C. I’d really like to see another FF redfor module, hopefully next year….

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      ShamrockOneFive

      We’ve seen it a few times but no indication of when it might come out. I don’t know if we know if it’s an F6F-3 or -5.

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  4. I will say upfront, I’m still flying and enjoying the F-4, just something about it. However, the upcoming improvements and modules did catch my eye as well. I do own most of the modules and most of the maps, so I buy them and play them as I move through them. I think Germany is a good middle ground for a Cold War, if we can’t have Vietnam yet. I really missed not seeing the A-1, I had high hopes there.

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      ShamrockOneFive

      Germany Cold War era with Fulda Gap (hopefully) is certainly good as a fictional hypothetical scenario. Good place for the F-4!

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    2. Im with you I the Devs of the A-1 and ED are under estimating the draw of the AD-1H .

      its crosses the borders from ww2 through Korea, Vietnam, And on to i think it was 1986. its one of those planes that can be used a lot … and once the La7 shows you have a fairly solid start to a true Korea lineup.

      just a note i think the F-35 is probably one of the worst possible option to try and ad at this point … as the A is just the Airforce variant A / B /C are not new versions but just versions for the Airforce, Marines, and NAVY. and i don’t know were they say that the documentation was destroyed on the F-105 .. there are tons of resources… hell check the national archives for them. all that was left of the P-47 sans flight manuals was the blueprints from the national archives anyway.. but whatever the 105 would be amazing to have i don’t know if i could force myself to uninstall it once i had it.. plus if they want to get a bee in their bonnets about accuracy make it a low fidelity model to draw people in … there are no really special electronics or anything. its an angle speed and alt bomber like the F-100 but it was fast and had a special roll… if they ain’t doing the F-105 then maybe an F-111

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  5. Love the new explosion effects, and very hot and heavy for the F-35, though I might be past retirement age by the time it comes out. The F-15C is a pass for me, I’ll stick with my A2G Eagle. That’s my bag.

    The big one for me will be the C-130. Hopefully that won’t take years to come out.

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      ShamrockOneFive

      I hear the C-130 is coming along nicely but of course no dates. Maybe this year!

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    dirka681277110a81

    nice to see long awaited modules getting a lot of screen time f100 f4u c130 but disappointing that others like la7, sky raider and A7 omitted

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      ShamrockOneFive

      I know last time we saw the A-7 it was more or less a temporary model. Hopefully we’ll have something new from FlyingIron soonish.

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      1. Flying Iron have been very quiet on the A-7 front…. its apparently still progressing but you can’t help but wonder where they are at considering the great update they did at the end of 2023 (that instilled confidence while the lack of updates does the opposite).

        Still – none of us have invested any money in it so they can do what they like really

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  7. Few thoughts

    pacific ww2 was main push last year but barely gets a mention here which leads me to think it’s all off into the never never. In fact ww2 generally looks dead. F4U? Forget it.

    No Nick Grey voiceover. Interesting.

    dynamic campaign is good. Fulda map is good. Probably the next release I’d say.

    euro fighter is great. Sexy aircraft.

    F35 is good even if it’s just best guesses. DCS should be doing more sim lite stuff to get the volume of players up and to increase the size and financial health of the sim generally. But f35 does look a bit “look over there” to me.

    they should be upfront about the mudhen being smoked. Stop selling it.

    no sky raider?

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    1. Nineline said they tried the voiceover but thought it didn’t seem right.

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  8. While I’m sure we won’t get the full breath of features for the F-35, it is starting to sound like there is actually enough information to get the basics down to an authentic level. Keep in mind also that they’re going for a decade old model of a now widely exported jet.

    I can see the concern, but I doubt ED has forgotten what their niche with DCS is. They’ve always been chasing fidelity. Though I do hope we get more modern AI assets to help balance things out for mission makers.

    I would’ve preferred the Flanker with the Eagle, but maybe next year. Everything else I saw in the video was very exciting. I was right about Germany : ) It’s also nice to read that it’s by Ugra.

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  9. If they can do a “best guess” F-35 then all excuses for not doing an F-105, ie “all the documentation was destroyed”, for the inevitable (I hope) Southeast Asia map are GONE.

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    1. I was thinking the same thing. I’m still hoping for someone to do one, a bit surprised ED hasn’t thrown anything except the F-5 remaster in on Cold War.

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    2. guys who would buy game because they here F-35 are not same guys who would buy it for F-105, its just marketing trick to get more player types that are not into DCS now

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    3. My theory on the F-35 is that ED has a contract with an export customer of the F-35, but are unable to mention it due to some NDA or something.

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        ShamrockOneFive

        It’s possible. I doubt we’ll find out much if anything about that.

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    kenriandbd8c04065

    I noticed the German Leopard 2 tank has KFOR markings on it. It’s that a hint at a Balkans map? KFOR being the NATO forces in Kosovo. Maybe I’m reading into it too much. It would be cool for sure. Kola map covers where I grew up. Balkans map would cover where I was deployed. Unless something really bad happens I don’t think we’ll get a map covering where I live…New Jersey.

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    kenriandbd8c04065

    I noticed the German Leopard 2 tank has KFOR markings on it. It’s that a hint at a Balkans map? KFOR being the NATO forces in Kosovo. Maybe I’m reading into it too much. It would be cool for sure. Kola map covers where I grew up. Balkans map would cover where I was deployed. Unless something really bad happens I don’t think we’ll get a map covering where I live…New Jersey.

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    kenriandbd8c04065

    I noticed the German Leopard 2 tank has KFOR markings on it. It’s that a hint at a Balkans map? KFOR being the NATO forces in Kosovo. Maybe I’m reading into it too much.
    It would be cool for sure. Kola map covers where I grew up. Balkans map would cover where I was deployed.
    Unless something really bad happens I don’t think we’ll get a map covering where I live…New Jersey.

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  13. always nicely put together visual showcases and well done on the Dynamic campaign snippets to (hard to put something together to showcase that – gameplay would probably be too boring).

    Another round of WWII stuff which are repeats – surely they must be sometime soon?!?!

    Nice to see the F-100 but the omission of the A-7 is interesting (yes its been worked on but the lack of annual update makes me feel its a long long way off).

    F-15C – not really interested in it as it’s not my thing and the F-35A…. Yeah that’s generated a lot of discussions as you would/did expect (its sparked a lot of – “hey you said you couldn’t do this one but now you are doing a 5th Gen current fighter [albeit an earlier block)”)

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  14. I am extremely skeptical of the F-35 the aircraft is only 20 years old … so newer than anything else they put into the sim. if they were upfront and said its a FC3 lvl aircraft if would be fine with it but they did not.. As a U.S. military Vet most of the sensors and stealth info is still top secret. I honestly think its bogus and does in fact SMACK of look over there we lost one of our largest 3rd party (Razbam). Also the F-15C which people have been asking after since the A-10C and Ka-50 showed up with the FC F-15C. Screams of F-15E consolation prize. The F-100 is awesome but the lack of other props and info on AD-1H makes it seem like they have lost a lot of trust from the third parties and people are putting less effort in until they find out the end result of ED vs. RB. I cant wait for the Eurofighter I like Delta wing fighters. But past that the entire rest of the video is scary empty of new and interesting… yeah the E German map looks good lots to create on Fulda gap and dynamic Compiegne is awesome assuming it works at all but look at the CH-47F .. cargo still not working … flight model incomplete .. so now they are working on Mig-29A FF / F-15C FF/ possible supposed F-35FF … were are the third party developments that are new or completion of ones that have been announced for years… It makes me worry that DCS is longer in the tooth than most want to see.. it also seems as EDs business policies are coming home to roost a bit … the creators of IL-2 Sturmovik are creating a Korea game… but that’s the only new combat flight sim in the works… looks like were heading to a major lull on the upside TTI’s TNT was tons of fun tonight .. no if only they were working on the F-105 not the F100.

    Here’s to hoping i got it all wrong

    -Boxcar

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    1. 20 yeas old now, but by the time they make it its gona be old timer, this type of videos are not realy real state or short plan list, just watch previous years ones and count things that they delivered

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    2. You are forgetting Combat Pilot.

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      1. you mean “Aces 2” ? Or more well-known “War Thunder 2”?

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        ShamrockOneFive

        I haven’t heard of a War Thunder 2. They’ve been through more versions than that by now surely 🙂

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      3. No, a new WW 2 flight sim is in development called Combat Pilot. The first module(s) will focus on the Pacific. It’s based on Unreal Engine 5.

        Boxcar said that only IL-2 was making a new flight sim, which is incorrect.

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        ShamrockOneFive

        BTW: I have some Combat Pilot content coming Monday (probably).

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  15. I am extremely skeptical of the F-35 the aircraft is only 20 years old … so newer than anything else they put into the sim. if they were upfront and said its a FC3 lvl aircraft if would be fine with it but they did not.. As a U.S. military Vet most of the sensors and stealth info is still top secret. I honestly think its bogus and does in fact SMACK of look over there we lost one of our largest 3rd party (Razbam). Also the F-15C which people have been asking after since the A-10C and Ka-50 showed up with the FC F-15C. Screams of F-15E consolation prize. The F-100 is awesome but the lack of other props and info on AD-1H makes it seem like they have lost a lot of trust from the third parties and people are putting less effort in until they find out the end result of ED vs. RB. I cant wait for the Eurofighter I like Delta wing fighters. But past that the entire rest of the video is scary empty of new and interesting… yeah the E German map looks good lots to create on Fulda gap and dynamic Compiegne is awesome assuming it works at all but look at the CH-47F .. cargo still not working … flight model incomplete .. so now they are working on Mig-29A FF / F-15C FF/ possible supposed F-35FF … were are the third party developments that are new or completion of ones that have been announced for years… It makes me worry that DCS is longer in the tooth than most want to see.. it also seems as EDs business policies are coming home to roost a bit … the creators of IL-2 Sturmovik are creating a Korea game… but that’s the only new combat flight sim in the works… looks like were heading to a major lull on the upside TTI’s TNT was tons of fun tonight .. no if only they were working on the F-105 not the F100.

    Here’s to hoping i got it all wrong

    -Boxcar

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    1. I think it’s fine. The F35 is not some super-secret alien spaceship. Yes some sensors may be classified as far as specs go, so there is a fair amount of guesswork. But I don’t think there is less, when it comes to other 4-gen fighters, like the F16. Also, the Typhoon would need a lot of the same guesswork, by this logic.

      People forget that weapons, like missiles, are also highly classified. And yet we have AMRAAMs, AIM9x, R37s, and other newer things like SAMs in the sim.

      DCS is a sim, it’s not a trainer. I would rather have more jets available for us to fly, than worry about it being 100% accurate.

      Also, they must have access to information, if they are confident enough about announcing an F35. Information gets leaked all the time, even on War Thunder forums lol.

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  16. I’m Confused over the Dynamic campaign. Is it Coming this year or is it the Mission Generator? Is it More Along the lines of beyond than 2025? I was under the Impression that the Dynamic campaign was years off because it was such a huge work project. Must admit I’m left more confused by the video. Oh well Fingers crossed more info comes.

    The F15C will be a popular Module and will only be an asset to the game especially if it gets more new players in as I imagine it will.

    The MIG29A is a Much needed module as we desperately need More REDFOR Aircraft. It is just way to Blue heavy for balance. I’m really looking forward to this.

    As for the F35 and years of being told by ED that it would not be possible I’m left blown away, and yet skeptical I must Admit. It’s a fifth Gen Aircraft after all. I just don’t know how they can do a truly Accurate Module within the Data that is available. But Again fingers crossed!

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    1. It’s 2025 and beyond, so there are no promises when things will come. What they showed off can be coded quite quickly. The real challenge is to connect that map with what happens in the sim, and it is unclear how far they’ve come with that.

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  17. I’m hoping the dynamic FLOT and moving tank icons are indicative of the dynamic campaign. We sorely need ground armies that move, reposition, and conquer territory, versus static units, or scripted ones. Several of the dynamic DCS servers that are player driven manage to do this in a rudimentary way, but nothing to the degree of a full scale Falcon BMS campaign(and we know how old that F4 engine is…).

    So the question is will the dynamic campaign engine intelligently direct ground units, or will they move more like they do in BMS, where they’re largely ignorant of the terrain(driving over mountains, etc.)? I’d love to see some intelligent routing where units may take roads to get to objectives, and then intelligently scatter upon enemy air contacts so nobody can rack up 30 kills in one CBU pass…

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  18. Forgot to mention – the cargo inside the Herc is actually there an rolls out the back which is a nice touch. The ground troop dynamics looks to finally be moving (pun intended) more realistically.

    The dynamic campaign – yes there are missing capabilities of the core platform but interested to see what they pull together for it. Personally I’ve moved to dynamic online campaigns which isn’t in scope of what ED are going to release (at this stage).

    F-15C – F-15E – lots of talk about the timing, I get why people think/feel that way but if it is a consolation prize – its not happening till 2026 so it’s probably going to be too late

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  19. Those opening shots of the map with moving front lines look intriguing. I hope it’s the new campaign engine coming this year, although I would be VERY surprised if that actually happens.

    That new Germany map looks great! Good to see that it’s clearly set in the cold war period.

    The F-100 looks very cool. I wonder what that Viggen shot was for (I too love the Viggen!).

    I’m not really interested in the F-15C and the F-35A is just way too modern for my liking. I would love to see more FF Red Force modules like the MiG-23 or MiG-25, or some other cold war era, non-US aircraft like the Draken.

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    happilyfan3d5eaa29dd

    To me, the release of the F-15C is indicating that the relationship with RAZBAM is non-recoverable – if that is the case MANY modules will gradually disappear – many of my favourites among them (Harrier and M2000)!! When the red writing appeared at the end of the video, I was wishing/praying for another REDFOR new FF module – preferably the SU-27 Flanker, or any SU- jet from the Cold War era – any REDFOR would have been appreciated but, alas, they decided to do the F-35 – REALLY? WHY?? Also, why so many shots of the F-4 and F-5? Where were all of the other modules coming to DCS – F-104, G91, F-8, A-7E, MIG-17, although the Tornado made a fleeting appearance, etc.

    ED and RAZBAM need to resolve the issue in 2025 – ED need all the devs they can get as there’s not that many as it is. And RAZBAM were producing the much needed MIG-23.

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  21. Ollifreund Popcorn Avatar
    Ollifreund Popcorn

    Being from Germany, I’ve got mixed feelings on all the war stuff and now a German map. War is not too far away from here.

    Being an aviation nerd, I think I wet my pants! Hothothot! How did they get a 747 on a 6900ft runway?

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    1. Yeah the opening shots with all the ground assault, explosions, missiles flying away, and especially the city with the flashes in the background made me pause a bit. It looked so real. And many civilians are currently seeing/experiencing this for real.

      It’s a game, but unfortunately the world has become more unsafe the last couple of years.

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    2. how they got the 747 on a 6900ft runway? they watched some videos and talked to pilots. Now they are doing the F-35.

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      1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
        ShamrockOneFive

        Apparently Tempelhof received the 747, L-1011 and the C-5 Galaxy. It’s part of the history on Wikipedia fhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Tempelhof_Airport and there are various photos purporting to show it. I don’t know if only the 747SP was able to fly there. https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/airshow/Tempelhof%20-%20Open%20Days%20-%201976

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  22. Tremendous video- well done DCS

    Also interesting was what was not in the video. A7? has this module fallen off the development table? I sincerely hope not?

    Detailed modelling of Berlin is extremely impressive and Eastern Afghanistan also looks amazing. Good stuff.

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  23. Balance is the thing that worries me and the F-35 just feels horribly out of place/time to the rest of the game (even taking into consideration what is on the way)

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    1. by the time that airplane gets in game it will be considered as opsolite peace of tech with their tempo

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      1. yeah but those leaks are punished. if they want to do the F-35 at FC levels im cool if not .. as a Russian built company based on geopolitics even though they moved to Switzerland i don’t trust it and it goes against everything i was ever thought while in service … but hey im not the boss.

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  24. Hello, thanks for the recap. I’m a big fan of the Eurofighter Typhoon, so I’m excited! I’m bothered by the amount of ground war scenes in the video. I live in Central Europe and I’m more sensitive to views of urban destruction than I used to be.

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  25. One day I would like to see an Su-27 full fidelity. I know it would be a long way off, but one day maybe.

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  26. Im still suprised no Yak-3, maybe after La-7 comes they gona add it

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    1. Maybe! Octopus G showed off a Su-22 in the early stages of development so I would think, unless plans change, that it will be their next plane. But maybe someone will do a Yak-3.

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  27. ED are so out of touch. We don’t want the F35 we want realism. I want the Strike Eagle to be not a scam.

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    1. i agree 100% they are drifting in a major way from their mission statement

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  28. I’m pretty excited for the F-14 upgrade.

    Also glad to get my wish of a Cold War Europe map.

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  29. in a strong way i believe that the F-35 is an indication that this is ED moving away from the study sim it has been to something else im not sure i can support it

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    1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      I’m still thinking about an editorial around this but I have to ask everyone (not just you) the question: was it ever really? Or is that something we all kind of assumed? The more I learn about how DCS works (i.e. its simplistic modeling of radar aspect, or its roll-the-dice for flare and countermeasures as two examples) the more I wonder if we’ve put more onto it than perhaps it deserves.

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      1. I do think the areas of electronic warfare (ie radars, ECM, missile guidance etc) is very much secret stuff, and not easy to get info on (I doubt even pilots really know how it works fully), and very hard to simulate accurately in the first place. And it becomes more of trying to replicate the results (from public videos, graphs etc).

        (side thing: I’m not too hyped over the F-35. It would seem that the very fundamental stuff will be secret, and not to mention it would change the way it would be employed (again, tactics are secret stuff). And, it is not the most pleasant plane to my eye :-)). MiG-29 and F-15C seems very nice! Actually, the Eurofighter too. Although I would prefer a JAS 39 Gripen!

        Anyway:

        Similarly, I would think that some airframes that are unstable, but have a fly by wire system to compensate is also quite hard to model. Would you model the instability, then correct it with?

        I’m also thinking that it is really hard to simulate all of this on a single thread (which was the case up until ~recently).

        As long as the goal is to replicate the results, make every button work, and have flight models that feels as realistic as possible, that does feel inline with the “study sim”

        I guess in short:

        Even if you are trying to replicate the world, one is still limited in what can be simulated in a few milliseconds… (and even more so if the SW architecture isn’t totally up to par)

        (but I also do admit I have been a bit surprised to see what the modelling/simulation actually looks like when described by their white papers. Although I do enjoy them a lot!)

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      2. Well SR its def a topic that has fired 🔥 up a few people and I can kind of understand why – long has the line been “we can’t do that without all of the documentation” or close to all of it (but even then there have been areas not covered e.g. Hornet and Viper have missing capabilities).

        So DCS may never have been FF all the way through – but it tries to be and I think that sets it apart from other “games” and is OK. The F-35 just may open the doors to a few more aircraft if we accept that modules are modeled to the extent of what is publicly avaliabile and/or can be reasonably inferred (such as the FW-190D – long has the GM1 not been avaliabile due to the lack of information but historically its was known to be on the aircraft and was done so on quite a few Luftwaffe aircraft so why not include it??

        I personally feel that DCS need to make some ground on the EW front for the F-35 inclusion. That would benefit all modules and would enhance the core engine.

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      3. I think it would be a good piece to delve into the study sim intent that seems to have been DCS, and what the introduction of the F-35A based on airshow data, wiki, and a few leaked Docs. There have been alot of aircraftvrefused due to lack of documentation. There have been a surprising number of news articles of major militaries using DCS as a training tool. So based on that DCS has pushed for that level of accuracy examples are. F-16, f-18, F-14, A-10, ah-64, oh-58. While not everything is modeled everything available is done to the max capabilities of the platform. So based on the requirements of previous modules i think it’s fare that the F-35 is a significant departure pair that up with the F-15C reveal and there are a few possible routes this will take us and none of them are 100% for the good.

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  30. As always tremendous production, editing and music, the final reveals were superbly tense and fun but ultimately I think there was a lot of filler. I cannot wait for the F100 to join the F4 in combat sorties, but no whiff a South East Asia map and a vague presentation of the dynamic campaign is mildly disappointing. I think we saw an F-14D which would rule! The C130 is going to be very fun. But the F-15C and f-35 are underwhelming. I just don’t think showing off a shiny new F-15C given the F-15E situation is tactful and leaves likely many of us sore. At first glance I thought the -35 was an F-22… that would have been great.

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    1. think the F-14 is the B(U) with the sparrowhawk upgrade

      Yes it really is a well produced video and if you just sit back and watch it without thinking about what’s coming next etc etc it really is quite amazing. I feel ED are finding it more and more difficult to produce these as over the years the hype has continued to grow and grow – its become the showcase of things to come (which is the basic reason for it) so everything in it is scrutinized as a new asset or feature…

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  31. I don’t think that the presence of an F35 in MSFS proves that it is doable to a somewhat realistic level in DCS. The weapons and information systems are not modeled in the MSFS version, which are the most complex parts of it all.

    ED did a poor job communicating and made a poor choice, I think. If they had argued that they need to make planes with less fidelity to properly round out the sim, and had announced a SU-27, I think that they would have gotten a lot more positive response. Then they could have announced the F-35 in 2026 and it would have been received a lot better, I think.

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    1. its a good point and shows a basis towards BlueFor (which could be a result of “political pressure” rather than they prefer to do it – but your point about lower the bar of FF means you could do a Su-27, its just that there must be a reason they aren’t).

      The F-35 – I just don’t know…. The STOVL version interests me as I liked what it was like in MSFS but it’s no harrier in terms of challenges to operate in that configuration. Not that it matters – they aren’t doing it. It will be interesting to see how they go with it, will they listen to the general view and perhaps move away from it??

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  32. The F35 would be a great candidate for an actual dynamic campaign. Something larger than itself and something we can all invest time in. Otherwise, mehh, why?, it’s kind of boring on its own with a few missions.

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  33. One, RAZBAM needs to be louder, angrier, and have access to [being paid]. Two, whenever RAZBAM’s not in an ED video, all the other characters should be asking “Where’s RAZBAM”? Three–

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    1. I think that the two companies have so much animosity that they can no longer work together anymore.

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    2. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      What’s the third part?

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