With all of the hype over the start of the DCS: F-4E Phantom II’s pre-order, it seems some folks may have been a little over excited about the when of this whole thing coming out. In a short post to the Heatblur Discord and a lengthier post on r/Hoggit, Cobra8472 from the Heatblur team has clarified their expected plans and release window for the F-4 project. I’m giving it a bit of a boost so everyone knows what the plan is. Let’s set expectations.

Waiting on the Phantom

Responding to a post on r/Hoggit, Cobra8472 from the Heatblur team has given us a reasonably lengthy yet clear post on what the Heatblur team are up to right now and what their release window means. When the F-4 pre-order began several weeks ago Heatblur were pretty clear that their window for release was anywhere from December of this year to March of 2024.

In my head I automatically assumed that a more likely release would be towards the March end of that window but I think a few saw December and started pinning their hopes on that. From what Heatblur are saying right now, December is not going to happen as they are still working out bugs and aiming for a quality release. Here’s what was said:

I just want to reiterate that we have announced Winter as our release window. Yes; this can indeed stretch to basically the end of March. We’re not doing it to be mean, or to false hype, or create unnecessary stress on ourselves – we just need to have a broader window so we know that we can try to put the quality of the product as the #1 thing. In the end, everything else is secondary. Some of the stuff we’re doing is the hardest and toughest stuff we’ve ever done, e.g. Jester v2 and making him fully scriptable. We just have to try and hope that in the long run, it will matter and you will think it has been worth it too.

I’d also like to just note that keep in mind that we as people, developers, enthusiasts and a company that needs to release products and stay in business – are incentivized to get it to you as soon as possible. There is no reality in which we are better off by releasing later, or delaying, or causing you pain or annoyance. In fact, I’d argue that we are the ones that are most incentivized to release as soon as possible – for our own mental health, finances and excitement about wrapping up the F-14 and what lies beyond.

We operate at a loss currently, meaning that not only do we draw your ire by pushing towards the tail end of our window, but we also continue to accrue risk. But in the end- again- the product is what matters and I don’t ever want to be in a position where I’m ashamed to launch something.

Cobra8472 on r/Hoggit

Patience is a virtue

It is interesting how challenging the finances are at the moment with the Cobra indicating that operating at a loss the way they are right now brings risk. Obviously, opening pre-orders helps but releasing the product itself will bring far more in the way of sales.

Heatblur have done some incredible work with the DCS: AJS-37 Viggen and with the DCS: F-14 Tomcat. This team have gone through extraordinary effort to bring us two incredible DCS World modules so far and their work on the F-14 in particular pushed the whole of the sim forward introducing ideas and artwork that I can say without hyperbole are industry leading. It looks like the F-4 Phantom will offer more of the same and I hope that positions Heatblur well for the future.

Good things tend to come to those who wait and patience is a virtue – sayings you’ve probably all heard before. The F-14 was a long wait as well but so worth it in the end and I think we’ll see a repeat with the F-4. Just a few more months!


16 responses to “The long wait: Heatblur setting F-4 release date expectations”

  1. And still no pre-order on Steam. I wonder if anything else will release before Christmas. There’s been nothing since June I think. That’s a long empty space considering there is so much under development. If development remains this slow, the wait time for what has been announced could to go into 2028. That’s getting a bit silly.

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  2. Yeah I agree with you Canada, I have no problem waiting on Heatblur but most of these projects are in their 2nd year and are showing little life. I believe that most of these projects probably should be released sooner rather than later so they can start getting feedback … and the OH-58D/R what is going on. I understand that there are many ex- Kiowa guys like myself helping the projects but man it was supposed to be out years ago it seems yet now there is not even a quarter to look forward too … I hope they dont make it flop because i think there will be little understanding if it is not almost immaculate when released after all this time …

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  3. I called this months ago. Sucks being right sometimes, but hey Expect the worst and everything else is a bonus.

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    1. I think most of us who’ve been around the block a few times figured it’d be more March and less December. That’s how this goes.

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      1. Yep hard to get angry when you know what the deal is.

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  4. Oh…..

    In the end I did not pre-order as I needed to be a little careful with cash but also as I do not get around to flying much and I wanted to see something a little more certain. There is a reverse to what Cobra has said: They might be incentivised to hurry up but have to keep the date a bit quiet, while customers are not obliged to hurry up with a purchase until they see a date that is somewhat more certain. Transparency, I would argue, drives a net increase in sales revenue. Vagaries are likely not helping them.

    I am also a bit surprised that a BFM version could not be released for EA? DCS is not Fortnite, most users understand the product development but would be happy to have a short while just practising circuits and getting a feel for the thing. I might be wholly off, but as long as the core avionics are operational then there is something to release for EA with a large message of:

    *THIS IS JUST THE EA MODEL BECAUSE WE LOVE YOU AND RATE THE FEEDBACK: NO JESTERS WERE HURT IN THE TESTING OF THIS PRODUCT*

    Or maybe I’m off on this?

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    1. Heatblur have tended to release mostly fully functional in all aspects. Viggen and Tomcat before it were very well put together and subsequent updates tuned and corrected with the occasional major feature. That’s their philosophy. ED have tended to do as you suggest with partial functionality and other pieces added on over time (eg Hornet and Viper). There’s definitely pros and cons.

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      1. I am not suggesting their is a ‘wrong’ or ‘correct’, just that operating on a loss while delaying a release for the completion of more systems strikes me as questionable from a company survival perspective.

        I would argue that EA will expand once at least something exists. As long as the marketing / messaging is managed I would suggest that awaiting March will only hurt their finances, not least because sales are cumulative over time and not made / broken in the first 4 weeks.

        Coming after Viggen and Tomcat, what really and reputationally do they have to lose?

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      2. I gotcha. Yeah I don’t know. I also don’t know if they are all around operating at a loss or if this is module specific. Heatblur have professional contracts too which I imagine are more lucrative but I have no idea.

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  5. I had hoped it would be more towards December, but I’m not hugely upset it won’t be by the end of the year.

    I am a bit concerned that they’re operating at a loss. This is a really bad time for anyone to be acruing risk. I hope they’re able to make a profit on this in a reasonable time frame. Don’t want to see a developer of their caliber fold.

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    1. Agreed. And we don’t know how things are categorized here so operating at a loss for this module or overall – not sure.

      Hope things go well!

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  6. It’s truly remarkable where our hobby has advanced to and I believe these devs deserve every penny including as much pre-orders as possible. Just recently I got back into the Mirage 2000C in DCS, and it is incredible and what’s more Razbam continue to work and update it, something that is going on 8 years old! Healtblur are the same and as they push the envelope like nobody else for the entire industry, deserve the best. They are smart to branch out into MSFS as that’s where they will make more $$ and hopefully we’ll see the benefit of that in DCS.

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    1. But no release = no pennies. That’s the rub.

      I presume they have a financial model that they use for this and they can for now sustain a delay. But if modules are continued for many years then I would argue for releasing with a tidy package of working elements and sacrificing a perfect array in the name of getting the aircraft on the board.

      That is, of course, how the military actually works under wartime conditions.

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  7. Hopefully their MSFS F14 will be a big seller and make them financially stable I would hate for the best dev in DCS to disappear

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  8. It is true that above all the final proiduct is its own reward. But how long does this cake needs to bake to get consumed.And is Gordon Ramseybaking this cake. Inquiring minds need to know.

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      It’s in a slow cooker. The wait will be worth it but you’ll have to smell it marinating all day long.

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