No matter what you’re buying, it’s always good to be a careful and cautious consumer and when it comes to spending significant amounts of money on a piece of flight sim hardware you want to make sure that the product you’re buying is genuine and has the support of the developing company. Counterfeit products exist and yesterday hardware-maker VIRPIL made light of one that has been copying their products.

Update: March 27 at 7:37 am – Added a clarifying paragraph under “What’s this all about?”

The statement and the situation

Over the years I’ve had the opportunity to review a bunch of VIRPIL’s products (including their WarBRD series and the MongoostT-50 CM3 HOTAS). They are often on the medium to higher end of flight sim hardware and in my view they are worth every penny. Well constructed hardware that gives you great flight sim experiences is a difficult thing to do and VIRPIL is among a handful of great companies that offer such an experience. Unfortunately it seems that another company has been copying their work.

It’s gotten to the point where VIRPIL appears to be taking action against the company. They have released a statement on their forums with a few details:

Hello VIRPILs,

Today we are unfortunately addressing a more serious situation that has recently come to light. Some of you may have noted the emergence of another team who have released controllers which share many design intricacies with our own products.

Firstly, in response to some speculation we would like to clarify that we have no connection with the team in question, nor is this team composed of previous VIRPIL staff.
 

Our legal partners have reviewed all elements of this situation closely and it has been determined that through the protections granted by both EU and Lithuanian laws, they are illegally reproducing and promoting protected VIRPIL designs, trademarks and intellectual property. 

A case has been raised against the perpetrators and we will use the full weight of the law as required to protect VIRPIL, our staff and our community. 

We want to thank everyone in the community, and even our competitors who have shown support for us. We have the utmost respect for our other competitors who are developing new products that encourage innovation within our niche and work in the best interest of the community. We look forward to continuing development of exciting products for all virtual pilots to enjoy! 

Regards,
VIRPIL Controls Team

Read the posting on the VIRPIL forums here.

What’s this all about?

A couple of hardware reviewers have been reviewing products from a company recently, whose name I will not be publishing. Some of those reviewers noted that not only were the products similar but were essentially identical to VIRPILs products. Some of the more scrupulous refused to publish their reviews after they discovered the counterfeit nature. If you really want to track it down, some recent discussions on r/hotas are a place to start.

I should note that, to date, this is an accusation of one company copying another company’s work. It has yet to be proven in court.

The company that VIRPIL is specifically talking about in this notice appears to have pulled their materials from their website with the website resolving to a blank screen.

When a company does as this one appears to have done, the short term ramifications are few but the long term ones hurt significantly. A company like VIRPIL puts resources (time and money) into either developing or legally licensing the production of materials which helps keep the people who make these products or make these products better employed. We get a continual stream of hardware that is more capable and sometimes even more affordable as the technology improves over time.

If legitimate companies lose sales to a company that hasn’t supported that development process, it hurts our hobby by eventually causing the legitimate companies to evaporate. And that means that innovation slows or stops and we all lose out.

Hopefully that marks the beginning of the end of this particular saga but I implore everyone to be wary and buy their flight sim hardware from reputable storefronts and companies. It may cost a bit more that way but its better for everyone in the long run.

If you are buying flight sim hardware, be sure to visit an official storefront such as the one that VIRPIL operates for their hardware. With their increasing number of operations worldwide you should hopefully be able to find a place to get legitimate hardware.


13 responses to “VIRPIL statement about counterfeit products, buyers beware”

  1. Love your commentary on this one. It is a very important topic for us and you laid out the ramifications perfectly. Well done!

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    1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      Thanks! Appreciate the comment and the support on this too.

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  2. I’m a big fan of this blog, but I don’t really like the cryptic and accusatory nature of this article.

    Assuming this is about fctechnologies.io, it isn’t immediately obvious what the problem is. The products clearly aren’t counterfeit goods in the usual sense because they are sold under a distinct brand.

    The flight sim world is full of derivative hardware designs, often inspired by real-world aircraft or competing products. Sometimes parts from different manufacturers are intentionally interoperable.

    It’s unfair to judge the company without analyzing Virpil’s claims in detail (which as far as I understand have yet to be proven).

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    1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      I’ll admit I was a bit steamed to read about a company that appears to have copied another company’s work and then put their own name on it. Long ago I’ve had my work stolen and my livelihood didn’t depend on it and it was still an awful feeling – that may have guided me a bit too much.

      I’ve added a clarifying paragraph that none of this has been proven in court.

      That said, I’m hopefully not in a minority in saying that it does certainly look like the interior components were copied part for part. and that such practices are not ok. If that is indeed what has happened.

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      1. Thanks for clarifying. Based on images, the internal mechanism does appear very similar.

        I initially thought the accusations would relate to the external design of the product, which I don’t care about at all as they’re typically inspired by real aircraft.

        I’m just generally skeptical in these types of situations because it is very common in many industries for incumbents to use dishonest intellectual property accusations in an attempt to shut down competition.

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      2. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
        ShamrockOneFive

        Your skepticism is warranted to be sure. I don’t think that’s happening as we’ve seen other entrants on the market arrive without issue… but nonetheless it’s a valid concern.

        The exterior copy is as you say maybe not that big of a deal. It’s the internal components that are more significant to me.

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      3. I think Virpil should have tried to be more clear in its statement.

        The term “counterfeit” appears to be misused here. It would only be a counterfeit if the other company used the Virpil brand without authorization. I don’t think anyone is trying to sell products pretending to be from Virpil.

        Something along the lines of “we believe a competitor unfairly copied our joystick gimbal mechanism design” would make more sense (assuming that’s indeed what’s going on).

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  3. As everyone else I too wondered about the similarity in exterior design (at least the grip’s) but didn’t put much thought in to it, now if the mechanisms/electronics are the same as well, well yeah that’s starting to stink a bit. And it’s not like these are cheap either, they’re pretty much in the Virpil price range (at least in the EU).

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    1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      I didn’t put too much thought into the exterior design being similar. A lot of hardware makers tend to copy real aircraft designs with their own unique spin on it so there’s a certain practicality to that exterior work. When I started comparing the interior components in the images that had been posted it was a whole other story. Buyer beware for sure.

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  4. Ollifreund Popcorn Avatar
    Ollifreund Popcorn

    The only thing I found in the terms&conditions is “You agree not to reproduce, duplicate, copy, sell, resell or exploit any portion of the Service, use of the Service, or access to the Service or any contact on the website through which the service is provided, without express written permission by us.” – which means I may not sell my Virpil stick to anyone without asking them first? Maybe I should read T&C more close next time…

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    1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      I am not a lawyer so take my words with a grain of salt but I would assume that personal resale (i.e. you sell your flight sim gear on eBay or some other buy/sell) is different than what is addressed there. I’m not sure.

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    2. Those are the terms and conditions for using their website (“the Service”). The consumer rights that govern the hardware once purchased are those dictated by your country of residence.

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      1. Ollifreund Popcorn Avatar
        Ollifreund Popcorn

        Actuall my above posts is missing two columns, it got eaten by wordpress. What I was trying to say is that it is unclear what caused the trouble. Building a joystick with metal gimbals and exchangeable springs is not rocket science, it’s industrial standard. And Virpil stays vague on this. They should at least put some “patents pending” or similar on their website or else competitors risk legal action without intention – which is hindering progression and bad for us customers.

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