The F-5E Tiger II is something of a fan-favourite airplane in the DCS World community. The real world aircraft was designed as a simple jet fighter replacement for developing countries that needed to replace their old airframes with something lower cost than the more sophisticated jets increasingly available at the time. The virtual one draws on that simplicity by being an aircraft that is easy to get into and capable enough to have a lot of fun with in many of the Cold War era scenarios and beyond. The aircraft module has seen a recent upgrade that remasters the aircraft and replaces the old version with a new one. For long term fans it means once again paying a small fee to upgrade to the remaster version. Is it the upgrade offer enough to make it worthwhile? Let’s dig into it!

What’s changed?

DCS: F-5E Tiger II is a module that hasn’t seen a lot of effort put into it as of late. It has had some minor updates to the module in the last year with an update in May aimed at fixing some radar clutter issues, adding the AIM-9J, and fixing the TACAN system (among a few other long standing bugs). Those updates have been added in the latest update with DCS 2.9.10.3948 adding and/or fixing the following:

  • Added GBU-12 to centerline, GBU-16 to inner and centerline, and GBU-10 to centerline loading options.
  • Fixed. Holding dogfight/resume or ACQ switch does not minimize range gate.
  • Fixed. Sight cage does not align the radar antenna to ARL.
  • Fixed. Mk-82 Snakeye should not have high-drag surfaces when safed.
  • Fixed. Gunsmoke does not follow the airframe/canopy.
  • Fixed. ADI adjustment./corrections.
  • Fixed. Gunsight Depression Axis.
  • Fixed. Mirrors display a distorted picture (fish eye).
  • Fixed. Wingtip launcher rails are fragile when exposed to rapid G-onset.
  • Fixed. F-5E Air-to-Air Missile Employment in MSL mode training mission.
  • Fixed. Rapid aft control input caution.
  • Fixed.  Issues with the FAST ERECT button in the cockpit and the overall performance of artificial horizon.
  • Fixed. Pitch/Roll gyro issues.

Those updates apply to both the now deprecated original as well as the remaster. Reportedly, the original version won’t receive any further updates while the remaster will see future updates so long term the remaster is the one to stick with.

The meat and potatoes of this update are focused on the visuals of the aircraft. There’s an updated cockpit and a new exterior model. Let’s dig into those!

Visual upgrades

The DCS: F-5E was definitely getting long in the tooth when it came to visual fidelity. Released in December of 2016, the DCS F-5E is now eight years old and while it had seen some updates it really hadn’t had a visual refresh in quite some time and was looking quite aged. It was definitely time for a splash of paint.

On the exterior we have what amounts to essentially an entirely new model. The model has been redone with updated visuals all around. Those details are particularly well seen when you view the aircraft in some lighting situations or when you get up close to it. It really visually pops when you look closely at the air intakes, the wheel wells of the landing gear, the gun doors on the 20mm cannons, and on the metallic textures on the skin of the aircraft. Really nice!

There are some bugs and not yet implemented features on the remaster too. The new has maintenance hatches that open and close, however, they currently don’t work and this has been reported as a known issue. The vapour effects are also relatively old and reportedly will be replaced by more modern ones. I’ve also noticed that the chaff and flare dispensers, while functional, continue to show as full even when you’ve expended all of your countermeasures. Minor issues but hopefully fixed soon.

The new release also scales back the number of skins a bit with some notable liveries missing on launch. Here’s what we have right now:

  • Standard neutral grey
  • Swiss Air Force, 2 tone grey
  • Austrian Air Force 2, Staffel
  • Norwegian Air Force 338 sqn 215
  • “MiG-28” Topgun black
  • Aggressor Navy blue camouflage VFC-13
  • Aggressor desert camouflage VFC-13

Here are some of the liveries currently available:

Sometime in the future there are five other liveries coming together with a template package for livery artists to tackle. I’ve also been informed that in addition to these, the team does intend to reach parity with the original offering up all of the liveries available previously.

  • Vietnam 1970s
  • Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force
  • Imperial Iranian Air Force
  • Swiss Air Force demo team
  • Aggressor forest camouflage

We move into the cockpit which has seen a splash of paint and some visual updates as well. The overall visual is generally good with modern texture techniques and artistry applied. Its not Eagle Dynamics best work but its more in-keeping with what a DCS module should look like in 2024 and it is quite good. Some have been critical of it but I personally like the slightly more metallic look to many of the surfaces in the cockpit. The instrumentation also has better contrast, is sharper, easier to read, and feels quite a bit more usable than it was before.

Original on the left, remaster on the right.

The upgrade also, unfortunately, misses out on improving some long standing issues. The scale of the cockpit is reportedly somewhat off which has been a longstanding bugaboo for VR users in particular. On a two dimensional screen its not so much of an issue but I do wish that the visual upgrade had tackled that particular problem too.

Missed opportunities

DCS World has had two prior modules get the facelifted treatment with the DCS: A-10C Thunderbolt II and DCS: Ka-50 Black Shark III both being based on prior modules. Eagle Dynamics did a lot of work on those modules to not only upgrade the visuals but also offer something extra to the capabilities.

The A-10C’s cockpit was a near complete overhaul and the jet picked up with capabilities such as the Scorpion HMD, a new radio, laser guided APKWS rocket and GBU-54 laser-guided JDAM. The exterior of the jet was also updated during the upgrade process. The same was true for the Ka-50 Black Shark III with a new cockpit, new exterior, and the addition of IGLA air-to-air missile capabilities.

DCS: F-5E Tiger II remaster feels somewhat less than those prior updates. While both of those featured visual upgrades and system upgrades, DCS: F-5E is largely focused on a visual update only. That was the stated goal, but we simmers like to have new features and long standing issues sorted out too. Looking around the community, there are a few features that could have been added.

One of the long requested features was the addition of an extra pair of Sidewinder missiles. Factory fresh F-5Es did not have the ability but apparently this was a common modification done to many F-5Es post delivery. Another feature they could have added is the F-5E’s refuelling probe. An option added later to many of the jets in service.

Another community request, albeit one that is a little less practical, would have been the addition of the ability to sling AGM-65 Mavericks. Some F-5Es were modified to do so with different cockpit equipment. Of course changing the cockpit up requires more coding support and it seems like this project was done with minimal coding and mostly artist efforts.

Any one of these would have sweetened the deal a bit and made the paid upgrade feel a little more worthwhile. While what is on offer is good, it all feels a bit less than it could have been.

Final thoughts

With DCS: A-10C II and DCS: Ka-50 Black Shark 3, I felt like we were getting significant upgrades to the modules in question with added capabilities and a visual refresh that really impressed. At $9.99 it seemed like an easy recommendation. There was controversy over those upgrades too but I felt like they were worth it. DCS: F-5E remastered, for the same upgrade price, feels a little bit less value by comparison.

On the other side of the coin, DCS: F-5E remains an excellent module and the remaster has made it better still. Good sound work overall and flight modeling that continues to be industry leading in overall fidelity mean its still a top module to recommend to new and veteran players alike. Anyone who is looking for a relatively simple Cold War era fighter and light attack aircraft to get into should put the F-5E in their short list. In dogfights on Heatblur’s Cold War server (nee Engima’s) the F-5 remains a popular type and one that matches up well against the MiG-19 and MiG-21 that it frequently faces off against and a type that can punch above its own weight in the right situation.

If you regularly fly the F-5E and you have some ED Miles in your account, this is probably a worthwhile upgrade. It is nice to have the upgraded art certainly and eventually it will have better parity for liveries. If you fly it infrequently, you can still get along just fine with the old model and that’s probably what you should do. The legacy version isn’t going away either so for some it will continue to be the status quo and the parting gift of some extra bug fixes is a good thing.

At $59.99 USD, DCS: F-5E also stays at the same price that it has been at since launch. New DCS World players are going to benefit from the upgrades that the overhaul and bug fixes have offered. The upgraded model and textures are nice and sharp and are quite good so, to borrow a colloquialism, “it’s not nothing.”

My recommendation is less enthusiastic than the one I made with the A-10C II and Ka-50. Those made absolute sense to me bringing forward two of the series most well developed but fallen behind the times modules. The F-5E, similarly, needed to be freshened up and so the upgrade is not the issue that I have with it but rather the feeling that it just doesn’t have the same value put into it like its brethren.

The DCS: F-5E Remaster is available on the DCS World E-Shop for $59.99 USD for new purchasers or $9.99 USD for the upgrade price. It’s also available on Steam.

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23 responses to “Does it offer enough? DCS: F-5E remastered review”

  1. I don’t own it, other than in FC3, so I’ll just wait until it’s back down to $29…if I buy it at all. I’m really just interested in helicopters and the release of the Dynamic Campaign at this point.

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      ShamrockOneFive

      Lots of great helicopters to check out in DCS World. They have some of the best flight dynamics of any sim so you’re in for a real treat almost no matter which one you pick.

      Dynamic campaign is still probably years away in my estimation. It’s a long term goal, they are working on it, but the sim has several mountains to climb to get there.

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      1. Oh, I already have all of the helicopters other than the CH47 and Kiowa. I know the DC is a ways off because they never built DCS with a proper DC in mind, thus the need for a total AI rework as it is so bad currently.

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  2. I’m glad you mentioned the miles. I had forgotten about them, and it turns out I have plenty.

    I too was disappointed to learn it was really just a visual update, but it’s a plane that’s been in my stable for some time that I’ve been meaning to get to, so I think I’ll get the newer visuals and hope the use of the module follows.

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      ShamrockOneFive

      The Miles made it an easier purchase for me. It was “free” in a sense. I am hoping to spend more time with the F-5 as a result of the update too.

      It’s such a simple bird that you can really fly it without a ton of retraining fortunately.

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  3. I did do the upgrade. I would have like to have seen some weapon updates to make it more worth the added fee. I try to support ED and I do fly the F-5 from time to time. Let’s see if they add something to sweeten the pot later.

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  4. Took my upgraded jet for a very short flight last night.

    It’s a great “Kick the Tires and Light the Fires” kinda ride, like taking a sportbike out instead of Corvette: not much to it from a systems perspective, so it’s easy to slip back into and go have some simple, fast fun.

    Great for when you don’t have a lot of time, don’t want to do the Fox 3 BVR dance or punch in co-ords for JDAMs, and don’t want to deal with the beastly handling of a warbird.

    And, since it’s a non-Fly By Wire, stick and rudder aircraft, you can still get some good skill building in while flying it.

    While I would like to see extra SideWinders and a refuel probe, and Mavs would be icing on the cake, that starts turning it into a modern jet. And If that’s what I want, I can just hop in the Mirage F1 or Tomcat and go to town.

    I.e., I LIKE the “sportbike” experience, I don’t need every jet to be the maxed out version…

    For $10, I have to say the visual upgrade is quite nice and definitely puts me back in the mood to fly this module more. And that’s $10 well spent. 🙂

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      ShamrockOneFive

      Yep well said! I too really appreciate it for the kick the tires, light the fires kind of experience. I hopped into this having not flown the F-5 in a couple of years probably and the thing is so simple compared to most semi-modern aircraft that I was able to figure it out without consulting the manual. Love that about it and it was a reminder that I need to take it out a little more often!

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  5. I don’t see the value here, but I don’t really like the F-5, either. Plane is okay, but feels so beneath the Viper and other 4th gen jets. Mig-21 more fun to fly. Also, Hind has best cockpit in DCS. 🙂

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      ShamrockOneFive

      It’s definitely not in the Viper’s generation in terms of capability. Remember that the F-5 was intended for air forces that were looking for replacements for their worn out F-86s and other similar era jet fighters. By comparison, the F-5 has plenty of capability for similar operating costs.

      Completely agree that the Hind has one of if not the best looking cockpit in DCS. What a work of art eh!

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  6. I like the upgrade, I’m happy to pay a few bucks to keep things getting better. But I have one or two complaints. I would have liked 4x Sidewinders. I have a feeling ED might add them fairly soon to keep the unwashed masses happy since the value of this upgrade is being so hotly debated. 4x Sidewinders will definitely make the plane feel more fresh and people will feel like they are getting their money’s worth.

    And more skins should have been included. ED can easily get skins for free just by asking creators to submit them to be included with the official release. I’m sure a lot of creators would like to have their work as part of a module/upgrade release. ED could have chosen five or ten of the best and thrown them in. A few historic, a few fancy fictional ones. it should have happened.

    ED really kept to the minimum with this “remastering”. It was good, but just good enough.

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    1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      Yep well said on all accounts! I do think four Sidewinder option plus a ton of liveries would sweeten the pot enough to make this remaster a little sweeter.

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      1. I’m going to go out on a limb and say we’ll get 4x Sidewinders by end of Q1 ’25. And I think we’ll hear about it well before then.

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        ShamrockOneFive

        I’m hoping it’s a prophetic statement ☺️

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  7. The F5 was my very first FFM in DCS, to say that I’m disappointed would be a understatement, whoever reported that they took 7000 hours to upgrade this visually is lying. The interior only feels good due to the glass having removed scratches. The external model is good but that’s it. It’s disappointing that they said ” the module is feature complete so we are not gonna add anything new” even though that’s exactly what they did for the Ka50 and A10C, the community seems content to just keep apologizing for not handing over enough money. I am done, the CH47 was released in the same state the F16 was, I was there for DCS 1.5 I supported this company and its releases up till and including Afghanistan and the CH47. They do not care about making a good product now only about cash grabs. I hope another company comes around to challenge them or they go under, I do not give a dam anymore about the literal thousand or more dollers I have spent. DCS can sink.

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    1. Eh…seems like you have problems with DCSW in general rather than just this module in particular.

      The thing you, and many others, are forgetting is that ED raised the price of the A-10C and the Ka-50 after their updates. And the sales price was no longer 50% off for quite a long time, so they became MUCH more expensive for new customers.

      The F-5’s price is staying the same at $60, and we’ll see what the future sales prices will be.

      You may feel like the upgrade fee isn’t worth it, and that’s cool. I feel like it is simply because the graphics were looking like an old FSX addon and were in desperate need of it. For the price of a pint of beer, the updated graphics are a no-brainer.

      And hopefully ED are working on an update to the Huey and Mi-8. And I’ll gladly fork over $10 each since both of those will almost perforce be only graphical updates. Given their ongoing popularity, they need it after all this time.

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      In re the CH-47, you’re dead wrong. It was released in a good state, and was eminently far better suited to mission than the F-16 was. And even in re the other DCS helicopters it functioned just as well, if not better.

      In fact, I never remember hearing anyone complain that the Apache was like the F-16 on release, and yet it was missing a TON of systems and weapons. Most everyone enjoyed it immensely.

      The CH-47 is just a simple heavy lift transport helo – and for some reason “the community” expected it to be something it’s simply not, even IRL.

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      You may not like the AFG development model, but the fact that the the very next map, IRQ, uses that same “pay as you go” purchase model, shows it’s probably working well for them, and for whoever took the low-price option.

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      In re value for money vs cash grabs, I’m a LOT more likely to walk away from X-Plane (and I have already walked away from Prepar3D) than anything that makes me sour on DCSW.

      The extremely high quality of the modules/addons, plus the vastly expanded user experience available in DCSW, relative to all the other flight sims, makes DCSW one of my favorites of all time.

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  8. Personally, I find the F-5 update to be worthwhile. The improved clarity in VR is very welcome. Further the canopy reflections are some of the best I have seen. However, yes it would’ve been nice for it to have been on the scale of the A-10CII with new weapons and systems packages. I wasn’t averse to paying the £8.32 that is cost and really think people should get a sense of perspective, that for the cost of an expensive beer they can get an update and keep Eagle Dynamics afloat.

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  9. IMHO the F-5 upgrade is a good one, but ED should at least also have added another two Sidewinders and a few more liveries.

    I would also love to see a remastered version of both the Huey and the Hip. Both are in desperate need of it.

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      ShamrockOneFive

      I’d love to see them remastered complete with the new cargo loading system for both of them.

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      1. That’s the thing that’s catching people confused. Remaster does not equal new features. What you are asking is a module upgrade in the likes of A-10CII and BS3.

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        ShamrockOneFive

        The word is different but the overall perception and pricing is the same.

        On the perception front, the F-5E is very much being put into the same category by most, myself included, because we really only have the other two examples of when that happened and they are with the A-10C II and Black Shark 3. Following the rule of perception being 9/10ths, the expectation and what we’ve got (so far) is not being matched.

        On the second point, the pricing/value proposition remains the same. If they had said that it’s a remaster at a remaster price of say $6.99 to upgrade, I think we could safely put this in a different category. It hasn’t. The only piece that is different is that the full up pricing remains the same which is not too bad for new uses coming in but irrelevant for current owners.

        So we could make the distinction if there was one but I don’t see it and neither does quite a bit of the community.

        Unique take. Thanks for the comment!

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    2. There is a new Huey addon/remaster being done. 🙂 New cockpit mesh and all.

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  10. Yes.

    I have some issues with how DCS run their business but a $10 refresh of a module that has been out of early access for years isn’t one of them.

    If this is a slipperly slope towards a subscription model, or a defacto one where they charge for a refresh every month or so, I will have a problem. But given no features are limited, that I have had a lot of fun with the old textures and new ones (that look pretty good, IMO) make me load the module again, I have no problems with it.

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