A new comment has been made by RAZBAM CEO Ron Zambrano with regards to the ongoing dispute between that company and DCS World creator Eagle Dynamics. The dispute, now over a year old, has been a significant flashpoint in the community. The latest update doesn’t give us much in the way of new news but there are a few tidbits of information to hold on to. Here’s the latest.

The latest from RAZBAM

Last year’s public clash between Eagle Dynamics and RAZBAM has left many in the DCS World community feeling a little shaken. Ongoing module development, particularly with the F-15E, and support for the company’s other aircraft have been a point of significant concern. To date, the company’s modules continue to function with few issues but there’s always the worry that a future update may cause some problems with them. Thus, interest remains extremely high in what’s happening with the dispute and if its been solved yet.

The latest comment was posted to the RAZBAM Discord community and this is a copy of it:

To Our Loyal Community,

First and foremost — we’re sorry..we tried relentlessly You’ve been our champions from day one. Your enthusiasm, trust, and support have helped our small team grow into something we never imagined. You didn’t just buy our modules — you believed in us. And for that, we’re deeply grateful. But there’s something we need to say clearly: While you’ve continued to support our work, we haven’t received a single dime of that support in well over a year. You deserve to know that.

We’ve spent the past months locked in long, good-faith discussions with Eagle Dynamics in the hope of resolving this situation professionally — and being fairly compensated for the products you’ve embraced. We remain hopeful. But we cannot continue to support the platform or maintain our modules without being paid. This is not sustainable. We are creators — but we are also people with families, obligations, and limits. We cannot be asked to work for free. It’s not just unfair — it’s wrong.

This is also business. And in business, transparency matters. We continue to work toward a resolution. We still hope this is just a pause — a rough chapter — before we fly again with you in DCS and beyond.

Until then, know this: We’re still here. We still care. And we’re still fighting to protect what we built — with you. Thank you for standing with us through this. We’re users, just like you. We feel this deeply. Loyally yours,

RAZBAM Simulations
Posted by RAZBAM_Prowler / Ron Zambrano on the RAZBAM Discord

Analysis, reaction and commentary

The update doesn’t provide us much in the way of new information though it does confirm some of the statements made by various RAZBAM contributors that they hadn’t been paid since before the dispute went public. It also confirms ongoing legal efforts which means that this is not over yet – not great news but potentially not bad news either.

To summarize the dispute in a very short way, Eagle Dynamics reportedly contends that RAZBAM made some actions that were in breach of contract – a serious legal matter. RAZBAM in turn reports that Eagle Dynamics haven’t paid them for sales on their products – also a serious matter to contend with.

The timing on the statement is a year on from when this all first went public and so can be seen as a kind of status check-in. When I began reading it, it sounded somewhat more dire than on my second and third read through. At the moment, efforts are paused while this is worked out legally and thus there remains hope for a resolution.

Comments on the DCS World forums have on occasion turned to a lack of additional follow-up comments by Eagle Dynamics. On that point, I turn to comment by Eagle Dynamics Community Manager NineLine for a position on that.

This is hardly what is happening, the only thing we are not doing is making public statements as it is, once again, a legal matter to be dealt with in the appropriate way. I am not sure if we made a similar statement to what was made today that would help anything.

We still aim to resolve as we have from the start.

NineLine on the DCS World forums

For now, the dispute remains in effect and RAZBAM’s DCS World modules continue to exist in a difficult limbo. The few issues that have come up over the last few years have been quietly resolved, presumably with the hope that things will be able to continue at the end of this.

While we can’t discount the possibility that the legal issues end up in a separation of the two companies, we also can’t discount the possibility that a resolution can also be found. For now, the issue balances on a metaphorical pinhead and we continue on hoping.


39 responses to “RAZBAM CEO Ron Zambrano comments on the ongoing Eagle Dynamics dispute”

  1. Very sad indeed , not only that it came to this, but that this dispute is still not resolved. Ultimately it will affect us, supporters of DCS and Razbam.

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    1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      It is, still I try and see it as a good thing that it’s not resolved in the negative. It leaves the door open to a hopefully positive resolution.

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  2. no matter how this ends up – I’m just not ever going to buy anything from Razbam again… too much water under the bridge for a positive business partnership to continue

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    1. I actually feel the exact opposite. I Believe that ED is in the wrong. I also see preditory business practices in how they release modals and deal with everyone. While I can understand .. just don’t buy it. And that us everyone’s right. I think you should actually look at ED they released the Ch-47 and still have made only really slow progress on it. Since it’s release they have announced the Mig-29A , the F-35, and the F-15C and I’m still a little fuzzy but I believe the F-16 and F-18 are either still in or barely put of early access. So I find working on up to 6 aircraft at the same time and slow stepping all of them is business in bad faith. AND if Razbam had violated the contract then take all their stuff off of the store and remove it from the game pay them for what sold and say yeah were not doing this any more. Don’t hold their money and destroy the company and hurt their employees while you continuously put out sub par work.

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  3. I hope this dispute gets resolved. I really want to see the F-15E module complete. I know there is the F-15C coming as well from Eagle Dynamics themselves but from what I understand the F-15E is more suited as a multirole fighter.

    I also really want to see their MiG-23MLA completed as well as it was the backbone fighter jet in many of the Arab air forces and I would really like to see more diversity from the Soviet side of the Cold War, as well as learn how to fly that fighter. Maybe they could do a MiG-27 as well one day as it wouldn’t be too dissimilar from their MiG-23.

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    1. Urgent Siesta Avatar
      Urgent Siesta

      The really surprising thing is that the F-35 seems to have completely overshadowed the F-15C announcement.

      The Charlie was previously one of the most wished-for modules on everyone’s list.

      Now, i can’t really find any discussions about it at all, good or bad!

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      1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
        ShamrockOneFive

        You make a good point. The F-15C as a full fidelity has been on many folks wish lists for a lengthy period of time and it’s been very quiet except for some inquiries about what is on this variant.

        I suspect it’s just info overload. Once it arrives, we’ll see quite a bit of excitement.

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  4. David Hoskins Avatar
    David Hoskins

    If I were RAZBAM I’d have spent the last year developing my own game engine. Preferably one that doesn’t have the aircraft pivot around a central point like DCS does. I really dislike that in any simulation racing or flight. It ruins the emersion for me and breaks any connection I could feel with the vehicle.

    It’s probably a little worse in racing sims just because I know what a car feels like to drive on the edge more so than a jet. But when you see a missile turn a full 90° from it’s direction of travel so it faces toward you as it flys by really makes me question how much more time and money I can justify investing on this.

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    1. What exactly do you mean by “one that doesn’t have the aircraft pivot around a central point like DCS does” ?

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    2. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      There have been rumours and various comments suggesting they may be working with MicroProse on Falcon 5.0. That’d be an interesting direction for things to go in. There’s not a lot to go on so count that as speculation.

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    3. Urgent Siesta Avatar
      Urgent Siesta

      It would take a MUCH larger team than Razbam considerably LONGER than “the last year” to write a new flight simulator, let alone a multi-role combat sim.

      They had previously announced some kind of partnership with MicroProse, presumably for the pending Falcon 5.0, but that died fast and hard many months back.

      Not sure what you’re talking about in re missile physics – never seen that in hundreds of hours in DCS.

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  5. I wonder what kind of “legal dispute” this actually is. What typically happens with contractors of any kind is they use more recourses (working hours in this case) than the original contract allow for. This is normal, but getting paid for the additional work without an agreement up front for each individual case can be difficult.

    I don’t know how ED pays Razbam. Do they get paid some fraction when the module sells, or are they hired as pure contractors ? I would guess some combination, but perhaps with a strong leaning towards profit by sales, tied to IP.

    This can lead to assumptions from previous work. Perhaps they had no hard contract for the F-15E, only a technical agreement that the F-15E was to become a module in DCS. Razbam then assumed the F-15E would be handled like the previous modules. ED on the other hand cannot simply assume these things. I mean, everyone is free to use their own time as they see fit, but if you want someone to pay you for that time or the fruits of that time, you better have a water tight contract up front for how this is going to happen. The only alternative is to go 100% independent, which in this case means making your own sim.

    I think something like this has happened, some way or the other. Razbam think (rightly or wrongly) their work is worth more than ED is willing to pay. The fact that they seem to be unable to resolve this conflict, combined with no payments at all according to the text above, indicates that IP somehow is essential here also. It’s hard to imagine what this could be though. What is so hard to resolve, why no payments? The only thing I can think of is Razbam wants to sell it all to ED, but ED has no intentions of buying it. This doesn’t completely add up either, but nevertheless 🙂

    Better to concentrate of what’s cool in this industry. Lots of cool stuff with DCS is happening. It just keeps on slowly getting better. Very slowly indeed, but still. Then there’s IL2-Korea. I’m really looking forward to that one. I like their engineering approach to stuff. It could very well end up being the best sim ever.

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    1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      I’ve read various accounts of what is actually going on but I feel like I have to take what’s being said with a grain of salt – so to speak. Is it something that ED did or RAZBAM did or is this ultimately a clash of personalities? I try not to get into the weeds too much but obviously when the CEO of a significant third party comments on the situation there is a news-worthiness to it.

      Absolutely interested in the great things still happening in this industry. Lots of good experiences to be had in the meantime.

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      1. I agree this is newsworthy. It was more a comment to/about myself. The case is very odd, more in the bizarre category, which is newsworthy by itself.

        I have seen comments that this case is detrimental to people’s experience of DCS. I think it’s a bit silly to take it that seriously, because DCS is much, much more than Razbam.

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  6. As long as this has been going on it would have been resolved by now if both parties where actually interested in solving it.

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    1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      I don’t know any more than you do but I would hazard a guess that there’s legal issues and possibly personality clashes too over who is in the right. The relationship between the two companies is undoubtedly of value to each of them or they may have just walked away. That gives me some hope… but I’m not holding my breath either!

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  7. zealousdelightfully40b620f588 Avatar
    zealousdelightfully40b620f588

    It’s just amazing to me that his lawyers can’t get him to stop talking publicly about ongoing litigation. Rule number one of any legal proceedings, whether or not you’re in the right.

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    1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      That part is indeed surprising.

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  8. I blame ED unequivocally Either shit or get off the pot. Pay them and take their stuff out of your game and tell them to walk or come to a deal and move on. It does not matter in almost any way at this point ED looks bad and needs to make a decision. And stop being crooks. He’ll they are messing with our money too we either take store credit or hold on to a module that may never be finished. I don’t want store credit I want my money back. ED,S decisions are messing with my funds. If they push Razbam out all module owners that did not refund deserve a refund because ED made the decision in the end. Razbam did not fall apart. If I thought I could get 50% of my total investment in DCS back i would take it in a heartbeat Eagle Dynamics are a bunch of Theives.

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    1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      The loss of 4 modules from the store would be a significant blow definitely. I think a lot of customers, myself included, would be looking for some sort of compensation from a big a blow as that. We value our modules to be sure.

      Hopefully it doesn’t come to that and maybe we’ll see some things turn around. Hope springs eternal!

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  9. side note I have never had a pleasant interaction with nineline. When I challengehim on anything. Even when I’m talking from my own personal experianc in the U.S. army he has banned me and told me I’m wrong because he is right. Acording to ninline other units never could ever use different procedures than he experianced. Based on that alone i will never believe a word that person says. that is ED in a nutshell their Egos have outgrown their product. And yes before you start talking shit I have in fact stopped using DCS. Hopefully ED will start showing integrity. And I’ll be able to enjoy some honest software again.

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  10. I hope it gets solved soon, but the longer this takes, the more guilty Ron seems. His statements do nothing but confuse with his slippery language (not a dime in a year, yet they haven’t performed any work in that year). And the more that every single other third party developer has been getting paid and hasn’t joined forces with him is very telling. If he cared about us, he’d update his modules that we paid for. He got that money, and hasn’t kept up his side of the agreement. Those are facts, and my personal opinion is that he’s dirty and got caught trying to sell things he wasn’t allowed to. He broke the contract and then ran to tell everyone he didn’t. The innocent rarely run their mouths while the legal proceedings are active. I think the best scenario is he gets ousted and someone else takes his position.

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  11. All he does is say what ED did wrong. Telling that he never once addresses what he may or may not have done wrong, such as violation of their contract, or what actually needs to happen to get this resolved. He doesn’t claim innocence, but he just repeats the lack of payment like a broken record.

    He presents it like “poor us,” like ED is picking on them without reason, when ED works with so many other 3rd parties who ARE getting paid.

    ED has not denied withholding payments, because if Razbam violated a contract but is not addressing it, what better way to force them to do it than not giving them their money?

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    1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      I do wish we had a fuller accounting of what went on too, if only to understand the situation at hand. I don’t know if we’ll ever get there.

      ED I think is following the advice of their lawyers and just not saying anything more than what’s been said. We’ll just have to wait it out unfortunately.

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  12. interestingstorey Avatar
    interestingstorey

    I’m disappointed since I own the Harrier and Mirage.

    I feel like Ron ended up helping another competing sim. He may or may not have used assets that don’t belong to him but that caused ED to go nuclear. That’s just speculation on my part.

    I took issue with the original Razbam statement noting they will support the modules and then immediately threatened ED to pull the support.

    This latest statement doesn’t help with his credibility. He notes that he can no longer support the module, but they haven’t been supporting the module to begin with.

    I was looking forward to a MiG 23 module but even if it comes to fruition I am done with Razbam.

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    1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      I got that sense too but the exact details I’ve not felt that we’ve been fully told about. I’m trying not to jump to any conclusions either.

      I was looking forward to that MiG-23 too! What an incredible experience that would have been…

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  13. I respect that others have differing opinions and hope at some point we get a full accounting but i will say. Not saying anything does not meant they are in the right… and why should someone work if they are not getting paid… i base my opinions on more than one thing… but look i fully admit i could be dead wrong but im not going to support what i cant trust.

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  14. I can’t tell anyone how to use their money but I will not buy any DCS module until ED shows a positive attitude.

    The state of the game is not improving; they release early modules before finishing older ones. There is no guarantee for their modules; they can abandon them at any time (as seen with Razbam modules).

    I see the overall state of DCS not improving. There are some improvements here and there, but the core issues remain. We play a flight simulator without ATC; we play a realistic combat simulator without realistic combat! We bomb tanks that remain stationary or move on a road. That is it! Yes, Arma does it too, but the difference is that they support the mod developers and their content; they have a good API. DCS, on the other hand, makes modders and mission makers run away (for example like Pretense).

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    1. Urgent Siesta Avatar
      Urgent Siesta

      There’s no option for realistic modern air combat other than the 30 year old Falcon + BMS.

      Almost like it must be really, really hard to produce a modern air combat simulation and stay in business…

      If there were a better overall air combat sim, believe me, I would be playing it.

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  15. Urgent Siesta Avatar
    Urgent Siesta

    The thing that gets me overall is how UN-professional the Razbam teams behavior has been.

    Though I don’t doubt at all that this is/has become a battle of wills, the RB teams behavior has absolutely cast a pall of doubt over their version of the core circumstances of the dispute.

    And having been on both sides of business lawsuits over the past three decades, both sides need to learn that settling these things means both sides agreeing to terms that neither side is happy with.

    Just get back to business – there’s tons of money still to be made.

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    1. I don’t see how RB’s behavior is that bad ED has done nothing at all not a word.. I actually see it as if RB feels safe commenting on the issue and ED does not i think ED is probably the one who is pushing a technicality and not being completely honest.

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  16. Razbam has a colored history of abandoning projects in FSX (T2C and A7) and now this, not surprising.

    I think Razbam dumped a public statement hoping to damage ED and their sales, as well as garner public support for themselves. A bit over dramatic and hopefully bites them in their 4th point of contact.

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  17. and why work on FSX when 2020 is otw and DCS and X-plane 12 … some times you gotta choose your battles even if it was 5-6 years ago … i would have stopped work on anything FSX

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  18. honestly im looking forward to IL-2 Korea especially if the bring in the A-1. I will fly DCS now and then to get my Helicopter fix.. but depending on what we find out about the new falcon … i think DCS may not be too long for this world… bad planning and horrible percentage of actual delivery … also their Code is SSOOOOOO old. I personally believe they need to stop work on pretty much everything and build a new engine … the CPU/GPU load is insane since they have some serious spaghetti code going and it will only get worse.

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  19. I will be happy to be wrong but i just cant approve of ED … i just don’t think they are realistic even with themselves… if your going to make a dynamic campaign why not streamline your mission creation tools to be efficient and easy to use … then make AI to use them lol .

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    1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      Indeed! I’ll be writing it up when I get a chance. It’s an interesting development.

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      1. Something serious we all dont know must have happened back in 2023, if we look at the timeline of this. The fact that Razbam since then didnt take the issue to court and has a resolution by court, IMHO falls on their own feet. Sad for the community. Many people like flying the Harrier, Mirage and the F-15 E. Oh well…

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      2. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
        ShamrockOneFive

        We’ve heard various versions of stories from back then but the exact timeline of it and what’s actually going on remains a bit murky in my mind. You’re absolutely right, its sad for us in the community… I’ve enjoyed a lot of time with the AV-8B in particular but also the 2000C and the MiG-19.

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