The latest discussion around the DCS World community right now is focused primarily on the pricing of Heatblur’s now up for pre-order DCS: F-14B(U). The module release is an upgrade available for the previously released DCS: F-14 Tomcat (featuring the F-14A and B) and Heatblur are asking $49.99 USD for the update. Following last Friday’s announcement, discussions in the community have been ongoing on the price and value of the upgrade and Heatblur has responded to some of the discussion with a lengthy thread. Let’s have a look at the issue.

On pricing, value, and features

DCS: F-14B(U) has certainly stirred up a lot of community commentary and I’ve seen many comments on Facebook, Reddit, and here on the blog with varying viewpoints on the upgrade and on the pricing.

On Saturday, IronMike from the Heatblur team posted a rather lengthy response to a lot of community commentary. The response goes through some of the key points that have come up in discussion with response on nearly a point by point basis.

IronMike had a lot to say but I do want to zoom in one two aspects of the discussion because I think they are likely at the core of the various discussions. Value and price.

DCS: F-14 Tomcat featuring two (and soon to be three) variants of the F-14A and one of the F-14B as well as campaigns, an aircraft carrier, a soundtrack and some other items are currently on at a regular price of $79.99 USD. If you take that and add up the $49.99 USD and you get $129.99 USD. So assuming you bought the F-14 at full price and then the upgrade you’re paying $130. If you get the ultimate edition bundle which includes both the F-14A/B and the new B(U)… you pay $98.99. Obviously that’s $30 cheaper for new players coming in.

IronMike responded on that point with the following.

So you will have to please forgive us, if we search for ways to put older products on sale or into bundles to incentivize new folks joining the community and also expanding the market. Only a growing community is a stable community. I find it extremely selfish and bewildering when some ask that the Ultimate Edition price should have been higher, to even out what they paid. De facto complaining that others pay less. Showing so little solidarity to folks new to the community (or a specific product line), really makes me sad, guys. We always tried to treat you the same way, when you were new. This is why we kept offering sales and bundles, like the triumvirate bundle, etc., repeatedly, (and adding always so much for free) even if the size of the market does not allow us to hold as many sales and as steep sales as a AAA game could. 

IronMike on the DCS World forums

Of course, the difference between is a bit less if you did the original pre-order back in 2018 at $69.99 USD (only $20 difference now) or bought the aircraft on sale during one of the more recent discounts.

The other part I wanted to specifically quote and draw out was the discussion about what has been done with DCS: F-14B(U). I view pricing of a module as a function of “value to the consumer.” Does it offer enough stuff to be willing to pay for the update or not?

Here I think the core of the issue is not specifically the price but rather the understanding of value. Even with the feature list released, I was still very interested to hear from the developers about the kind of effort that they put in to make this variant of the F-14B. IronMike summarizes nicely what the F-14B(U) brings to the table right here:

We had to re-do the flight controls practically from scratch, giving you a completely new FM experience in the aircraft – it is definitely not “just a layer on top of the old FM” – we had to make enormous changes to the cockpit, almost starting from fresh, both front and back, the entire re-work of textures and updating the art, not to mention a whole – not only – change in systems – but philosophy of the aircraft in how systems interact; a completely new nav system, new animations, new models, new avionics, new RWR, PTID, new screens, new panels, new HUD communicating with all these new systems, full Lantirn integration, JDAMS, Mission Data Loader system, new effects, backporting select Jester 2.0 features, in game browser elements, in game manual, gun camera, imaging system, a completely new flight control system, and all of that for 2 cockpits and with multicrew and teaching it all to the JESTER AI, new character customization and who knows what all I forgot rattling this down, and then applying all of which is applicable of that to the A/B as well, again, for free, on top of it. Well over a year (and more) of dedicated work went into it, as always with the intent of raising the bar.

Reading about the F-14B(U) before and now, thanks to this summary, has me really curious about just how different the F-14B(U) will be. It’s certainly more than slapping a couple of screens in thanks to the new digital augmentation system, JDAM, mission loader, new RWR, and all of the other items listed. That’s “not nothing” and at the end of the day. I, and all of you, have to determine if all of that is worth the $49.99 USD upgrade or not.

For some, I suspect that none of that would move the needle for them while others are very much ready to drop the cash for everything that this adds.

There is also excitement to be had for current module owners. DCS: F-14 Tomcat is still slated to be getting a whole bunch of new features as it comes out of early access and into life as a fully released module. Flying the Tomcat has never been as good as it is right now no matter if you own the original release and are sticking with it or if you’re committed to learning a significantly updated variant.

The discussion on this continues! Read the full statement from IronMike here.


16 responses to “Heatblur responds to community on F-14B(U) pricing, provides more details”

  1. The F14 is my favorite aircraft and I absolutely bought the best pre order package when it came out. (Pre ordered the F4 as well) Sadly my DCS time has been more limited and I wonder if I’d actually fly the F-14B(U) enough to justify the cost. It it was $25 I probably would but at $50 I am not so sure. I also mostly fly the A model.

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    1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      That limited time thing is what gets me! There’s so many good modules to experience.

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  2. Ollifreund Popcorn Avatar
    Ollifreund Popcorn

    As for pricing, the F-14 has always had it‘s special role. I think in 8 years it‘s been on 50% sale only once (correct me, if I‘m wrong).

    I wonder what this new FM is all about? DCS models have a reputation of being very precise and realistic. Now if the new FM is so much better than the old one, the A-model should get an update too. For free, just in order to show the customers: We charge you, we hear you, we respect you, and with us you get what you pay for.

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    1. SemiDesperado Avatar
      SemiDesperado

      As I understand things, the flight model of the F-14B(U) is not intended to be “better” but different than the F-14 A/B. This is because the model used a fly-by-wire system that didn’t exist when the A/B variants were developed. In order for the B(U) variant to be authentic, they had to redo the flight model to factor in that system But you would not want them to apply that flight model to the A/B because it would not be authentic to those variants.

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    2. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      So the F-14B(U) has a digital stability augmentation system to replace the analogue stability augmentation system. Heatblur goes into a bit of detail in their pre-order video on it but ultimately what it does is tidy up the F-14 in certain regimes of flight. That seems to have required a significant refactoring of their flight modeling for the F-14 as a result.

      The F-14A/B flight model is still a top notch standard. And we’re seeing some nice updates rolling in shortly.

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  3. Happy to pay heatblur they always do a good job. I’d like to see them take over dcs entirely. Keen to ensure they are paid properly to continue with new projects.

    Things cost what they cost. It’s an expensive world at the moment. Heat blue is just about the only thing keeping dcs afloat at the moment.

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    1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      Things are certainly expensive right now aren’t they. Inflation hits everywhere including in sim modules. I am keen to make sure that both consumers and developers are getting a pretty fair deal and here it seems reasonably justified… I think we could quibble over the exact pricing (as a community I mean) but certainly I want to see devs compensated so they keep making cool things.

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  4. BTW… excellent header photo : ) very nice

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    1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      Just one of the ones that HB sent around with the pre-order announcement. I feel like you have a special connection to it? 🙂

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  5. HB really has bent over backward for us over the years – we’ve gotten many upgrades just as a matter of course, at absolutely no cost whatsoever – its sad they’re being subjected to so much abuse and ire from the community now : /

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    1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      It seems go around from time to time within the community. They really put a lot of extra effort in with the F-14A/B and set a very high standard. This new effort is a bit more unexpected but I would have thought would be more welcome.

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    Pricklyhedgehog72

    I was rather shocked at the reaction. Having owned the original A/B variant since its release, and seen numerous upgrades, changes, and improvements I feel I’ve got my money’s worth. As a business decision this pricing point and bundle discount totally makes sense by looping in new customers. The cost of these premium titles is getting very expensive, and I don’t begrudge new customers having a buy in incentive.

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    1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      I certainly feel like I got my money’s worth out of the F-14A/B. We’re getting yet another variant very soon too and I sometimes forget as well about the campaigns that shipped with it. Heatblur certainly put a lot of value in there.

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  7. This market is so small, HB’s products are so good, and that aircraft is such a legend that I have no issue with them charging a premium for it. I’d even pay full price again when (!) we get an F-14D.

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    1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      I like that enthusiasm! 🙂 I suspect they were able to get just enough to make the B(U) a possibility when the community was asking for the D model. But I like it nonetheless!

      Yes, it is a small niche market and we do sometimes pay a bit of a premium for it.

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  8. Bottom line is: Heatblur deserves it. The new F-14 gadgets, instruments and capabilities deserves it.

    These devs exhales passion on every module they’ve released. I’m still impressed with the Phantom to this day.

    Devs are not peoples slaves. They need and deserve revenue on these new endeavors.

    This or we’ll never get to see new variants for the current DCS modules. Always a new airframe here and there and stuck in a single era.

    I’m happy and eager to get the B(U).
    I’ll 100% get and pay for the D if it ever comes as well.

    This module have served me so well the years I owned it. It would feel DIRTY receiving the B(U), which is a side step to the D btw, for free.

    For who don’t know. The B(U) is a direct sibling to the D having the multirole smart bombs capabilities. The D is less on a few areas, but having the punch into A-A with a better radar and weapons for it.

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