In the spring of last year, an ongoing dispute between third party DCS World developer RAZBAM and Eagle Dynamics erupted into the public sphere with statements from both parties speaking to a serious dispute between the two parties. Since then, few details have come from official sources while developers familiar with the situation have provided many of their own perspectives on the situation. We have been waiting to see what would ultimately come of the situation and while today is not that day, we do have our first real update from RAZBAM officially in quite some time.

Discord server updates

The latest updates have come from RAZBAM’s Discord community and provided by Ron Zambrano (razbam_prowler on Discord). The first update came today at 11:54 am (EST) and was seemingly aimed at some of the leaks of information coming from various parties directly familiar with and involved in the dispute.

Important Reminder Regarding RAZBAM-ED Updates Please be advised that any information regarding the RAZBAM-ED situation that does not come directly from official RAZBAM sources should be regarded as speculation. To stay accurately informed, we encourage you to follow official communications through our designated channel, specifically the ⁠general-announcements section in our Discord server. Thank you for your understanding!

RAZBAM has seen some of their developers depart during the last year and some of them have been providing some commentary on the dispute. I’m not sure if this messaging is directed at them or other parties involved but it does look like RAZBAM is aiming to reduce some of the speculation and going on in favour of official communication.

That update was then followed by another update at 12:20 pm EST.

ED cannot ensure the operational status of our aircraft without our involvement and a clear resolution. Claims suggesting otherwise may mislead customers into thinking full maintenance can be achieved independently, contrary to statements made by their community manager. This clarification is being issued to address the widespread speculation and misinformation circulating online.

It’s unclear (to me anyways) what brought that particular comment about as well though Eagle Dynamics COO Katia Peredenko had stated some months back that the company would try and keep the F-15E (and presumably other RAZBAM modules) functional.

Eagle Dynamics Community Manager NineLine was also posting today with regards to the RAZBAM situation. He was answering the natural follow up question on how Eagle Dynamics intends to keep the module functional without the source code.

There should be no real way to break the module if we maintain core update compatibility. It’s a lot of work, but we are committed to doing keep them working as is until this is solved. Its nothing new though. 

NineLine, DCS Community Manager

So the intention appears to be there to maintain these modules, however, I know that is going to continue to sit in an uneasy way until a more certain resolution has been found.

On that note, we don’t know what status of that dispute is currently. It may well be that Eagle Dynamics and RAZBAM are working out the issues and that a resolution could be forthcoming later this year. Or it may be the case that its being litigated with lawyers. It’s likely somewhere in between those two extremes.

Whatever the case may be, it seems that this challenging episode between the two continues to be ongoing for now.


34 responses to “RAZBAM provides two brief updates on their ongoing Eagle Dynamics dispute”

  1. I don’t have any inside knowledge of this situation, but Ron is acting very disingenuously. He reminds me very much of McAfee and his habitual lying.

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    1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      I remember the McAfee story. That was a pretty wild situation as I recall.

      I don’t know if this is like that or not. It’s not a great situation for all of us of course. I’m still crossing my fingers.

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  2. Glad I don’t own any of the RB modules. Even if the dispute is resolved, I highly doubt the two parties will ever work together again. Bridges have been burned. RB made sure of that. Reddit is blowing up and it looks like RB is taking most of the heat for using it’s customers as leverage against ED. No dog in this fight, but it makes me very wary of buying 3rd party modules.

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  3. Now we await news from Polychop on the latest drama. I don’t have any of their modules either, so still safe. As long as Heatblur doesn’t run, I’m covered. The other 3rd party modules I have I wouldn’t lose any sleep over if I lost them.

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    1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      I am aware of the reported situation over there. I’m waiting on more information before publishing anything to do with that. We’ll see what the situation is.

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  4. I’m sorry. but whatever Ed may or may not have done this is shocking behaviour from razbam. Basically threatening folks who have already bought their modules.

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    1. It’s not a threat, so much as a statement of fact. ED does not have access to the source code. Ergo, if ED makes a breaking change to the API, then the modules will break and they will not be able to fix them without reverting their changes to the DCS core. This is what NineLine was talking about in his statement. Which was not a commitment to maintenance, he is essentially saying that they will try to keep upgrading DCS core without breaking the API

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  5. Yes saw the comments from RB on the discord server and said to myself “here we go again”….

    Look I loved the Harrier (though I would really love a Gr.3 Harrier), got the F-15E but only flew it a few times so hats off to them for their work. I personally have no idea what happened between them and no longer care as long as it doesn’t have further ripple impacts to DCS. RB needs to exit, as said 👆 the bridges have been burned and I can’t see it ever getting back on track.

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  6. I don’t pretend to know who is at Fault and personally I don’t think Blame is going to help. All I know is as a customer of Both RAZBAM and ED I feel this is just unprofessional and hurts the game as a whole. I just want to get back to what matters which is shooting you all down in my Mirage and giving you a S’ in chat and flying of in to the sunset with a smug superior feeling. Happy new year folks.

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  7. Actually, ED is able to ensure operational status of Razbam modules just by checking each update for compatibility. Claims suggesting otherwise…

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    1. ED can’t even insure compatibility of their own modules so…

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      1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
        ShamrockOneFive

        This will be a “it remains to be seen” kind of moment where I appreciate the good intentions of keeping modules that we enjoy alive and functional. Will they be able to do it? Only time can tell.

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  8. Reinhard Eichler Avatar
    Reinhard Eichler

    What i wonder the most about is the thumbnailpic for this article. Does it show intenionally the strikeeagle nose down, going down? 🤔

    🤭🤭🤭

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    1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      I wasn’t diving too deep into the symbolism on this one. It happens to be one of my favourites with the Strike Eagle. It’s such a dynamic aircraft.

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      1. Reinhard Eichler Avatar
        Reinhard Eichler

        And still among the best dcs has to offer. No other plane gives you that feeling of power and control just by using the air to air radar to build your situational awareness.

        Let’s hope someday we will see the advent of JTIDS too. In BMS it’s such a joy!

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  9. With the latest info presented on this article, it just feels that whatever Razbam broke contract for, is more important to them than making+maintain DCS modules.

    Revenue wise or not.

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    1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      Maybe! The gameplan by both parties remains a bit of a mystery… or perhaps its all very reactive and there isn’t much of a plan in place.

      Whatever the outcome is, I hope its alright for us as the consumers. It does feel like we’re all caught in the middle of it.

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    2. Perhaps, but it could also be an ego-thing. Not sure that Ron is the type of guy to back down.

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  10. Pollychop’s issues sound like completely different issues than Razbam’s with internal differences seeming to be the cause. But still, this further erodes confidence in DCS as a platform. I just bought the Kiowa which is fantastic, but at full price I want and expect there to be no risk to the mod suffering from a lack of updates to keep up with DCS World’s continuous updates.

    Enigma’s YouTube channel has a great new video that reveals the results of community surveys and it’s becoming increasingly apparent that DCS has a major problem. At the price we pay for these modules we should at least have a campaign to play through. Instead we and DCS rely on the good will of the few.

    Glad I didn’t buy the F15E but boy do I want it! It’s the thing you dream of flying as a kid.

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    1. —Glad I didn’t buy the F15E but boy do I want it! It’s the thing you dream of flying as a kid—

      As a kid (of 34 years of age in 1992) I spent so many hours in Microprose F-15 Strike Eagle III, flying with a friend front/back seat (as well with Falcon 3) over modems. I also wanted this module, but being new to DCS the RB mess happened before I grabbed it, thankfully.

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      1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
        ShamrockOneFive

        I remember those days! I got into Strike Eagle II and then Strike Eagle III. Incredible sims and I was hoping to relive a lot of that with the F-15E in DCS… I still can but its uncertain future makes me uncertain of how much time to put into it. I’m not short on modules to fly and I have a couple of classic modules I haven’t reviewed yet that I want to get (back) into this year.

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  11. Is it nostalgia or were those 90s sims better because what they lacked in graphics, eye-candy and flight fidelity they made up for in immersion because we still had to make-believe much of it. I remember Jane’s F18 and flying those missions were just mesmerizing! Then again, maybe it was because it was our first ever sims and we were ecstatic to have something and didn’t know any better! They did put a lot of effort into missions though.

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    1. I was absolutely convinced back then that I could get in an F-16 or F-15 and fly it IRL, so they did something right. I imagine in 20-30 years we’ll look back at DCS and be saying the same things.

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  12. Well, in the meantime, I continue to enjoy this module in our Campaigns, the long flights on night strikes, etc.

    Never disappoints! 🫡

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    1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      May the fun never end! Fingers crossed!

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    2. agree, its wise to get the money worth out of RB modules as soon as possible, no one knows how long they will last 🙂

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  13. Sounds like a confusing line of thought considering RB states ED needs them indefinitely, while ED claims there’s no way the module can be broken by them directly.

    Honestly, not sure how this is a “resolution” since there’s no statement of involvement from RB other than a don’t mess with it. Would be nice instead to just either say OK we’re done or give a definitive timeline of support. So, status quo it is again from how that all reads.

    It is getting frustrating from a consumer standpoint though in that we just want the stuff we paid for to work – what happens behind the scenes isn’t really up to us.

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    1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      “It is getting frustrating from a consumer standpoint though in that we just want the stuff we paid for to work – what happens behind the scenes isn’t really up to us.” That is definitely the crux of the issue which is why I’m continuing to report on it. We all just want to know what’s going to happen to four important modules.

      Differing answers for now. Hopefully clarity later? Fingers crossed.

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  14. […] that while its a blanket statement that its going to be read and seen as having a lot do with the ongoing saga with RAZBAM and the recent turmoil at Polychop. Fair enough, this is focused on other things and we did learn […]

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  15. It’s important to remember that RAZBAM is the first to start slinging mud in this matter. And to say, don’t listen to anyone else but us is an attempt to control the narrative. Then others that want to generate clicks for money on YouTube are stirring pot by feeding to the fears and ignorance with seemingly plausible rederick. Myth #1…ED is out of money and can’t pay the bills…well if that were the case, why are the other 3rd Parties still getting paid? The best thing to do is wait…hope for the best but be ready to accept he worst. The F-15E SE was my only RAZBAM module and I returned it for ED store credit. Juice

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  16. Pricklyhedgehog72 Avatar
    Pricklyhedgehog72

    I’m very hopeful of a tangible resolution, but we are 8 months into this dispute and the signs are ambiguous at best.

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    1. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
      ShamrockOneFive

      I’ll still allow for a bit of hope but at the same time I think there’s a more remote chance now than several months ago.

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      1. I returned my F-15E for a few reasons, but I realize that I can always buy it back later if it survives. However, now that my first love (The F-15C Air Superiority Fighter) is coming to DCS “For Real” in Full-Fidelity style…I don’t see myself buying the F-15E ever. For those in love with the MudHen, I hope it survives the fall. ~JUICE

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      2. ShamrockOneFive Avatar
        ShamrockOneFive

        I know some folks were really hoping for a full fidelity F-15C and I’m very glad it’s coming. It’s a classic jet in the series so it seems time to do it.

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